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    (Original post by lesbionic)
    Sorry but studying in London has opened my eyes to how we are living in an Orwellian society of state oppression. I was kettled in the winter protests and it was the most degrading thing for me to go through; I can say I have been a political prisoner, trapped by the police for exercising my freedom of expression rights guaranteed by these so called Treaties that seem all nice and idealistic when the bureaucrats are drafting them, but in practice the police just piss all over them.

    I've also travelled a lot - at least in countries like India and Pakistan the worst the police do is accept bribes - they don't fantasise about using machine guns and CCTV helicopters. Why? Because they have the intrinsic morality to stay clear of spying on their own citizens.

    I would reccommend to anyone concerned about the continuous erosion of your civil liberties (where in 2011 it seems you can't even walk around in central London without being sucked into a police kettle and forcibly detained without access to food or water for seven hours) to join the SWP and unite against the fascist new order.
    So much fail in one post, its hard to actually take you seriously. I will however perhaps take one sliver of humble pie, as travelling in Pakistan must have been amazing. Obviously I say this on the understanding that you were travelling by train or coach and that it wasnt some gap year package where you stay in the Karachi Hilton Hotel and for 1 hour a day you get put in a mini van and drive around the poorer districts gaping as if it was some zoo, throwing out the equivalent of 20p and coming home saying that you made a difference (wow long sentence.)

    Being stuck in a kettle is not anywhere near being a "political prisoner" and it is fairly insulting to those who have to claim such a lame expirience is tantamont to it. It also furthers my initial suspicions that you are some young, perhaps well off kid who fancies himself as the next freedom fighter without any of the dangers of trying to take up such a self appointed post somewhere where it is actually needed. We can march and not be fired upon. I can shout **** the police and just get a ticking off from a PC. I can write a blog condenming the police force and still get away with no retribution. Lets not pretend that the protesters at that demonstration you were at were completely peaceful. Im pretty sure that there were a sizable amount of people who figured they were fighting some sort of corrupt and barbaric government (like those who shouted for a revolution in the march in Manchester, cringe) who were ruining it for the more sensible marchers and playing into the hands of the organisations who were hoping to discredit the march.

    Lets not chat **** about machine guns, that link you sent me had nothing to do with what you tried to make it out to be. Im giving up now as I havent slept properly for a few days and can tell that no amount of sensible chat will sway you from the idea you have that we are always being watched and always being oppressed.

    Word to the wise, dont use the term Fascist if you have no idea what it is about.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    The worst the Police do in India and Pakistan is take bribes? Bad dodge source but frankly you don't really deserve much better. http://www.islamicfocus.co.za/index....=138&Itemid=34

    To be frank you sound like a little ***** who just read 1984 and thinks she lives in some insane police state. If this is such a police state why are you allowed to spout your idiocy on to the internet?

    I find it hard to believe you have traveled anywhere such is your ignorance.
    Haha this is basically what I wanted to say but I think I kind of went off on a tangent.
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    (Original post by adam_zed)
    Haha this is basically what I wanted to say but I think I kind of went off on a tangent.
    Its hard not to. There is so many things wrong with this thread
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    (Original post by GwrxVurfer)
    I took offence at this. This was a blatant violation of the unalienable rights of the activists, a violation that the police service openly admits to, yet refuses to apologize. So, as retaliation, and peaceful protest against this violation, I have secured my computer(s) with military-grade 256-bit encryption. For those not familiar with encryption, it means that there are 2^256 possible key combinations. It would take every computer in the world centuries to exhaust all the possibilities in a "brute force" cracking, and this estimate takes advancements in computer science into account (It would hold up against a Quantum Computer).

    So if it's taken by police technical specialists, it will only be a really heavy paperweight. You may lodge a petition for access to the decrypted material, but for your application to be successful, you will need "good reason".

    I don't commit crimes, and there is no illegal material on my computer. So why do I use this level of encryption? The principle, as simple as that. Some might say "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, so why not give police access". But let's think about that - If I have nothing to hide, the police have no business ever trying to gain access to my confidential information in the first place, and would therefore be in the wrong for attempting to get it, right?
    I've been thinking about doing something similar, although just to protect my passwords.
    If I have a ten letter password with random combinations of lower case letters, upper case letters and numbers then I can have 10^62 potential passwords. You'd pretty much need a supercomputer to break that, and nobody with that kind of power has any reason to hack my computer so I reckon I'd be safe.
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    (Original post by adam_zed)
    Haha this is basically what I wanted to say but I think I kind of went off on a tangent.
    Adam_Zed wants the iron fist! Obviously you have no objection to kettling, perhaps not even when young madams are forced to have miscarriages inside of one because they are not allowed to leave the kettle to seek medical help. Shame on you.

    I've travelled in most Asian countries and found the police generally leave the people alone to their own devices unless they specifically cause a breach of the peace. In China, the police presence isn't really noticeable until somebody clearly breaks the law.

    In the UK the police are ready to get up in your grill even if you're boarding a bus or picking up a copy of the Evening Standard. They're everywhere; invading our privacy, spying on us, sneering at democracy. And they're supposedly made more ligitimate by the bull**** terror levels being ranked up by the crooked Home Secretary, to frighten us into giving up more of our freedoms.
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    As much as I believe it is only a few who do abuse there power...the real worry for me is that ALL the others have the potential to follow suit...
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    (Original post by lesbionic)
    You're exactly the kind of person that needs to be educated about just how out of control our glorified thugs (apparently our police) are.
    Omg u must be so educaited
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    (Original post by lesbionic)
    Adam_Zed wants the iron fist! Obviously you have no objection to kettling, perhaps not even when young madams are forced to have miscarriages inside of one because they are not allowed to leave the kettle to seek medical help. Shame on you.

    I've travelled in most Asian countries and found the police generally leave the people alone to their own devices unless they specifically cause a breach of the peace. In China, the police presence isn't really noticeable until somebody clearly breaks the law.

    In the UK the police are ready to get up in your grill even if you're boarding a bus or picking up a copy of the Evening Standard. They're everywhere; invading our privacy, spying on us, sneering at democracy. And they're supposedly made more ligitimate by the bull**** terror levels being ranked up by the crooked Home Secretary, to frighten us into giving up more of our freedoms.
    I think I have demonstrated that I scorn some individual techniques and actions used by certain policeman. What sort of douche attempt at character assasination is claiming that I support kettling? Maybe lets explore further and think of the many ambulances you and your cohorts disrupted that day by blocking the streets of central London. lets think of the people who couldnt get to work to make money to feed their families because you were too busy living out your immature fantasy of fighting a police state that doesnt exist.

    You have been kettled once and suddenly you reckon you are like the British answer to Nelson Mandela? Get real dude. You chat so much **** that I can visually imagine it spewing out of every orifice. You know nothing kiddo, you are just living in a dream world that places you as the hero fighting oppression when people all over the world are dying to get living conditions that arent even as close to your own. I call bs on your claim of travelling. I dont care how delusional you are, you would simply not travel to countries whereby police execute suspected criminals on a weekly basis and where protests arent met with kettling, rather a rounding up of the main ring leaders and the guns of the red army should things manage to get out of hand. I beg you cease to chat this *******s about police trying to get hold of machine guns. If you had any sort of education you would know that the idea of an armed police force is against some of the very principles on which Robert Peel founded the metropolitan police force. I have more chance of seeing my penis glowing green, then yellow, then dropping off, sprouting wings before telling me to get bent and flying away then the police force have of all being armed with high powered automatic weapons and gunning down people at peaceful protests in this country. This isnt America, our police force was born out of the discontent arising from events such as Peterloo.

    Anyway **** you and your daydream world i am off.
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    (Original post by adam_zed)
    I think I have demonstrated that I scorn some individual techniques and actions used by certain policeman. What sort of douche attempt at character assasination is claiming that I support kettling? Maybe lets explore further and think of the many ambulances you and your cohorts disrupted that day by blocking the streets of central London. lets think of the people who couldnt get to work to make money to feed their families because you were too busy living out your immature fantasy of fighting a police state that doesnt exist.

    You have been kettled once and suddenly you reckon you are like the British answer to Nelson Mandela? Get real dude. You chat so much **** that I can visually imagine it spewing out of every orifice. You know nothing kiddo, you are just living in a dream world that places you as the hero fighting oppression when people all over the world are dying to get living conditions that arent even as close to your own. I call bs on your claim of travelling. I dont care how delusional you are, you would simply not travel to countries whereby police execute suspected criminals on a weekly basis and where protests arent met with kettling, rather a rounding up of the main ring leaders and the guns of the red army should things manage to get out of hand. I beg you cease to chat this *******s about police trying to get hold of machine guns. If you had any sort of education you would know that the idea of an armed police force is against some of the very principles on which Robert Peel founded the metropolitan police force. I have more chance of seeing my penis glowing green, then yellow, then dropping off, sprouting wings before telling me to get bent and flying away then the police force have of all being armed with high powered automatic weapons and gunning down people at peaceful protests in this country. This isnt America, our police force was born out of the discontent arising from events such as Peterloo.

    Anyway **** you and your daydream world i am off.
    What a vulgar tirade. Obviously we can't take you seriously. Another regime apologist.

    Why is travelling so important to you? I didn't claim to have gone travelling around the world like you obviously have, as you're clearly either a hippy or a lazy gap year student. I actually lived in India, Pakistan, China and Moscow between the ages of eight and fourteen; I think actually living in a country is more legitimate than floating through a country on a whim. Anyway, I travelled through Russia into Mongolia through China and into Laos if it really matters to you (countries that have had dictatorships and fought state oppression - we need to learn from countries such as Cambodia that have said no to pointless state oppression).
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    I was going to deride you but your witty puns and hyperbole in the place of logical reasoning and facts has made me more benevolent. If you PM me your address I'll send you a nice shiny new foil hat.
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    The UK has the most liberal and lightest-touch policing, possibly on the planet. Try any country - certainly in Europe and see how protests are dealt with there.

    As for Asia - don't make me laugh. The worst thing the police do is accept bribes?! If they accept bribes, what do you think that means? They're institutionally corrupt. Why do you think they have so many widespread "anti-Globalisation" protests in this country? Because the trouble-makers can get away with the sort of nonsense that they do, and then blame the police for being heavy-handed afterwards. In France, Italy, Spain, Germany - the police will control the a protest by whatever means they see fit, and then the government and public at large will ignore the whingeing of the wet blankets afterward.
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    (Original post by lesbionic)
    What a vulgar tirade. Obviously we can't take you seriously. Another regime apologist.

    Why is travelling so important to you? I didn't claim to have gone travelling around the world like you obviously have, as you're clearly either a hippy or a lazy gap year student. I actually lived in India, Pakistan, China and Moscow between the ages of eight and fourteen; I think actually living in a country is more legitimate than floating through a country on a whim. Anyway, I travelled through Russia into Mongolia through China and into Laos if it really matters to you (countries that have had dictatorships and fought state oppression - we need to learn from countries such as Cambodia that have said no to pointless state oppression).


    few people have agreed with you on this thread. I guess its because we are all blind to the truth. Apologist is just a word used by stupid people to dismiss any points that pose a serious danger to their shaky searches for controversy where there is none. Obviously you cant reply properly, attempting to dismiss what I say purely because I swore twice and am on a gap year.

    for what it is worth, no I am not a hippy although I do like the idea of endless orgies. and yes I am both incredibly lazy at times and on a gap year, as if either have some detrimental effect to what I have said. Also at one point I was juggling 3 jobs as well as studying for 3 retakes which hardly fits into either being a hippy nor lazy. Tell me Mr better then everyone University man, do you have a job at the present or is daddy contributing to your uni upkeep?

    Again I call bs on your claims. Comparing our "state oppression" to any one of those countries that you have apparently visited is an insult to the many people who died fighting for them. Tell me, apart from Ian Tomlinson (a case that also provokes anger within myself), how many innocent lives have been mown down by trigger happy police, or taken to a secret HQ and tortured just for protesting? You call them "gestapo" and make critical remarks to no negative consequence, yet in a real police state I wouldnt being having this conversation with you as you would have been picked up early on.
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    (Original post by adam_zed)


    few people have agreed with you on this thread. I guess its because we are all blind to the truth. Apologist is just a word used by stupid people to dismiss any points that pose a serious danger to their shaky searches for controversy where there is none. Obviously you cant reply properly, attempting to dismiss what I say purely because I swore twice and am on a gap year.

    for what it is worth, no I am not a hippy although I do like the idea of endless orgies. and yes I am both incredibly lazy at times and on a gap year, as if either have some detrimental effect to what I have said. Also at one point I was juggling 3 jobs as well as studying for 3 retakes which hardly fits into either being a hippy nor lazy. Tell me Mr better then everyone University man, do you have a job at the present or is daddy contributing to your uni upkeep?

    Again I call bs on your claims. Comparing our "state oppression" to any one of those countries that you have apparently visited is an insult to the many people who died fighting for them. Tell me, apart from Ian Tomlinson (a case that also provokes anger within myself), how many innocent lives have been mown down by trigger happy police, or taken to a secret HQ and tortured just for protesting? You call them "gestapo" and make critical remarks to no negative consequence, yet in a real police state I wouldnt being having this conversation with you as you would have been picked up early on.

    Come on the OP won't have a job. That would fuel the state Gestapo. No doubt they are to busy living in the jungles of Great Britain arming the peasants in the great fight against the dictator.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Come on the OP won't have a job. That would fuel the state Gestapo. No doubt they are to busy living in the jungles of Great Britain arming the peasants in the great fight against the dictator.
    haha, genuinely put a smile to my face!
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    (Original post by lesbionic)
    You're exactly the kind of person that needs to be educated about just how out of control our glorified thugs (apparently our police) are. I'm not just talking about a small minority of particularly nasty agents of state terror - I'm also thinking about the amount of statute conferred on them.

    We have something like the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, an embarrassing mess of complicated provisions and exceptions that give police powers way beyond that in any other liberal Western democracy. Parliament obviously intended to scare us into sacrificing more of our freedoms and liberties when they drafted this piece of **** statute.

    During New Labour's tenure (of creating our police state and culture of oppression) apparently Parliament intended to endow the rent-a-mob with powers that contradict the most basic principles of the common law.

    If the rent-a-mob aren't playing with their new toys (click this link for one of the most disturbing developments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ANaS79bEo - so the police are going to machine-gunning down innocent citizens now...) then they're abusing statutory powers.

    One of the most idiotic 'safeguards' is the (In)dependent Police Complaints Commission - where the police investigate themselves over alleged wrongdoing and then announce there was no wrongdoing - this is the kind of sick oppressive and fear mongering culture that has been impressed upon us.
    To justify most of your claims in this thread and to justify comparing our police to the gestapo you'd have to prove that more often than not the police acted above the law and illegally in a thuggish and overly aggressive manor and that they are corrupt and morally corrupt.
    Since you can't prove that (because they are not) you are very, very wrong.

    Nor can you justify calling them gestapo.


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    :lol: Love it. It's so appropriate too.
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    OP worried about the police, worry about intelligence ffs.
    She reckons she's had it hard but there is worse.
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    I'm sorry but, Gestapo? How about on those 'travels' of yours you pay a visit to Auschwitz and learn a few things about what the REAL Gestapo did? People like you disgust me.
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    (Original post by lesbionic)
    Sorry but studying in London has opened my eyes to how we are living in an Orwellian society of state oppression. I was kettled in the winter protests and it was the most degrading thing for me to go through; I can say I have been a political prisoner, trapped by the police for exercising my freedom of expression rights guaranteed by these so called Treaties that seem all nice and idealistic when the bureaucrats are drafting them, but in practice the police just piss all over them.

    I've also travelled a lot - at least in countries like India and Pakistan the worst the police do is accept bribes - they don't fantasise about using machine guns and CCTV helicopters. Why? Because they have the intrinsic morality to stay clear of spying on their own citizens.

    I would reccommend to anyone concerned about the continuous erosion of your civil liberties (where in 2011 it seems you can't even walk around in central London without being sucked into a police kettle and forcibly detained without access to food or water for seven hours) to join the SWP and unite against the fascist new order.
    Well said. We have been living with so many comforts and distractions that we've allowed ourselves to become complacent and give up our liberties.

    We have a serious problem in this country with blind obedience to the state based on the false belief in its benevolence.
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    (Original post by garethDT)
    Well said. We have been living with so many comforts and distractions that we've allowed ourselves to become complacent and give up our liberties.

    We have a serious problem in this country with blind obedience to the state based on the false belief in its benevolence.
    Ok then provide me with examples of these.

    Protesters being shot

    Protesting being arrested and thrown in prison for long periods of time

    Politicians/Mps thrown in prison for what they say or think

    Any kind of peaceful group broken up due to their views.

    Unfair restrictions on citizens or freedom of speech

    Mass censorship

    Freedom of the press being attacked

    Newspapers censored/banned.

    political books banned.
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    (Original post by Aj12)

    Protesting being arrested and thrown in prison for long periods of time
    Incredible how stupid you actually are. Do you realise that detention without notice of the charges against you for hours on end is far worse than being arrested and jailed for good reason? On a daily basis people are detained against their will by the corrupt agents of the state. It was only as recent as 2005 that our judges (despite most of them living in LaLa land and being completely out of touch with ordinary citizens) decided that indefinite detention of suspected terrorists was irrational.

    I would rather be arrested with notice of the charges against me than being detained, like my friend in the video was, at an underground station for an hour with no idea why I'm being detained.
 
 
 
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