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    (Original post by lesbionic)
    Incredible how stupid you actually are. Do you realise that detention without notice of the charges against you for hours on end is far worse than being arrested and jailed for good reason? On a daily basis people are detained against their will by the corrupt agents of the state. It was only as recent as 2005 that our judges (despite most of them living in LaLa land and being completely out of touch with ordinary citizens) decided that indefinite detention of suspected terrorists was irrational.

    I would rather be arrested with notice of the charges against me than being detained, like my friend in the video was, at an underground station for an hour with no idea why I'm being detained.
    So spending a few hours in a police state is worse than 30 years for I don't know protesting against the state. Wow you are so stupid its actually hard to comprehend.
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    (Original post by lesbionic)
    And the following is just an account of CASES - never mind the appalling amount of statute conferred on Her Majesty's finest in the form of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act that gives our gestapo the powers to do whatever they want. The following documents how our police are just out of control and unbridled.

    Apparantly it's self defence to thrash an innocent man who is already lying face down on the floor...Watch the video and see one of the agents of the police state making an arse of himself about the premeditated assault on the victim.The police beat up an innocent man, they then investigate themselves, and find that they did nothing wrong. What a ****** up country the UK is. The police are out of control, and proved they cannot be trusted on ANYTHING. The man is lying on the ground face down, but still the police are seen to punch the man in the head, that is not self defense, that is assault.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1sq49awTCE


    Only a year later, our rent-a-mob Red Terror agents go a step further and actually murder an innocent bystander at the G20 protests.

    Then the corrupt police decided to detain and threaten with arrest an innocent bystander for filming them on her mobile phone.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFJQ-24Flw

    Then they tried and failed to pioneer the 'eye in the sky' (also known as 'flying State oppression).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzadh_uNtQ

    We're constantly fed a stream of lies on a daily basis about the alleged 'terror threat.' Only on January was the terror threat raised to severe bull**** and the news stations showed interviews with the public generally not giving a **** and continuing their daily lives despite the corrupt government trying to terrify us into submission in order that we surrender even more of our freedoms so they can continue to spy on us.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m82uuydjEk
    As some other posters have said, you may have had a point but using the word "Gestapo" in an argument has exactly the same effect as using the word "Nazi." Instant fail. :mad:

    True, there are plenty of problems with policing, but if you look at it in comparison to other countries, we're certainly a lot better off than most.
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    Dam'n those Nazis!
    You think you've got 'em all, and then you realise most of them are now working as Police Community Support Officers in County Durham.

    You just never know these days...
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    (Original post by GwrxVurfer)
    I took offence at this. This was a blatant violation of the unalienable rights of the activists, a violation that the police service openly admits to, yet refuses to apologize. So, as retaliation, and peaceful protest against this violation, I have secured my computer(s) with military-grade 256-bit encryption. For those not familiar with encryption, it means that there are 2^256 possible key combinations. It would take every computer in the world centuries to exhaust all the possibilities in a "brute force" cracking, and this estimate takes advancements in computer science into account (It would hold up against a Quantum Computer).

    So if it's taken by police technical specialists, it will only be a really heavy paperweight. You may lodge a petition for access to the decrypted material, but for your application to be successful, you will need "good reason".

    I don't commit crimes, and there is no illegal material on my computer. So why do I use this level of encryption? The principle, as simple as that. Some might say "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, so why not give police access". But let's think about that - If I have nothing to hide, the police have no business ever trying to gain access to my confidential information in the first place, and would therefore be in the wrong for attempting to get it, right?
    You do realise that should the Authorities require the keys, you'll potentially go to prison for perpetuity until you give up the key?
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    To justify most of your claims in this thread and to justify comparing our police to the gestapo you'd have to prove that more often than not the police acted above the law and illegally in a thuggish and overly aggressive manor and that they are corrupt and morally corrupt.
    Since you can't prove that (because they are not) you are very, very wrong.

    Nor can you justify calling them gestapo.





    :lol: Love it. It's so appropriate too.
    lol thanks! Its a shame because there are indeed many issues that need to be addressed with regards to the police force, the IPCC as OP pointed out is indeed one of them. However he completely discredits such valid objections with this complete nonsense.
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    (Original post by hamijack)


    While I'd be the first to admit that the UK police have been known to be *******s on occasion they have never been known to take you from your home with know charge and shoot you in the head on the say so of the neighbour. Unlike the Gestapo
    Not in a few decades anyway.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    So spending a few hours in a police state is worse than 30 years for I don't know protesting against the state. Wow you are so stupid its actually hard to comprehend.
    theres no point arguing man. this guy is motivated by the idea he is some lone voice in a blind world and no rational response will dissuade him from this.
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    (Original post by adam_zed)
    theres no point arguing man. this guy is motivated by the idea he is some lone voice in a blind world and no rational response will dissuade him from this.
    this is how I feel
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    this is how I feel
    looool, let him go back to his fantasy world!
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    (Original post by GwrxVurfer)
    Few can remember a 256-bit key, I think you mean the password.

    As I've said, the authorities are free to lodge a petition at any time to request access to decrypted material. I think we can agree that this is fair. The petition let's the authorities put across their side of the story, and mainly answer WHY they want to view private information. If there is "good reason" then copies of certain parts of material relevant to their petition can be made available. I modelled this on the police system - You are free to request information from the secured PNC database under the FOI act, and the police will give you copies of material on it relevant to your request (Although you can only apply to see what information is held on you personally). They will not give you unrestricted access to the PNC itself, nor should they.

    If the authorities did not have "good reason", then I would refuse to decrypt anyway, on point of principle. Not sure that a jury would convict for not decrypting when the authorities had no good reason to view it anyway, but for sake of argument, assume they do convict. So what? I stand by my political beliefs, and if you want to throw me in jail for believing in something, then there's nothing I can do about that. You still won't get that password, and it's going to make you mad as hell that you don't have the power to snoop.

    Again - I have done nothing wrong, therefore no authority has any justification for wanting me to decrypt files. Do you not like it when your "nothing to hide" line is modified, then used as an argument against state intrusion?

    And also, plausible deniability pretty much finished-off RIPA III.
    Firstly, I use "keys" in loose sense of something that can decrypt an encrypted archive. You're obviously not going to remember a 256bit keystream.

    Also, I think you're confusing me for someone that supports Part III of RIPA (2000). I was merely stating the fact that should the authorities (I'm not suggesting that they do) have grounds to examine your computer, you are compelled by law to surrender the key/password to them. I use Truecrypt archives myself. And yes, plausible deniability is quite a nice a neat feature.
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    (Original post by lesbionic)
    And the following is just an account of CASES - never mind the appalling amount of statute conferred on Her Majesty's finest in the form of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act that gives our gestapo the powers to do whatever they want. The following documents how our police are just out of control and unbridled.

    Apparantly it's self defence to thrash an innocent man who is already lying face down on the floor...Watch the video and see one of the agents of the police state making an arse of himself about the premeditated assault on the victim.The police beat up an innocent man, they then investigate themselves, and find that they did nothing wrong. What a ****** up country the UK is. The police are out of control, and proved they cannot be trusted on ANYTHING. The man is lying on the ground face down, but still the police are seen to punch the man in the head, that is not self defense, that is assault.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1sq49awTCE


    Only a year later, our rent-a-mob Red Terror agents go a step further and actually murder an innocent bystander at the G20 protests.

    Then the corrupt police decided to detain and threaten with arrest an innocent bystander for filming them on her mobile phone.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFJQ-24Flw

    Then they tried and failed to pioneer the 'eye in the sky' (also known as 'flying State oppression).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzadh_uNtQ

    We're constantly fed a stream of lies on a daily basis about the alleged 'terror threat.' Only on January was the terror threat raised to severe bull**** and the news stations showed interviews with the public generally not giving a **** and continuing their daily lives despite the corrupt government trying to terrify us into submission in order that we surrender even more of our freedoms so they can continue to spy on us.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m82uuydjEk
    To call the UK police "Gestapo" is a gross insult not only to the UK police but also to the memory of the victims of the real Gestapo,who rounded up and ordered the murder and torture of gays, trade unionists jews, gypsies and other "inferior races". By calling the UK police by this name you imply that what was done to these innocent people was equivalent in evil to a crowd of protesters being kettled or some other relatively minor tactic being used by the police. For your information, the UK police are saints and angels compared to the real Gestapo as it was, and such gross exaggeration only detracts from the real issues with UK policing.
    Over the past ten years, there has been what has been termed the "civilianization" of the police, so that numbers of real police have fallen ,while numbers of police staff have increased very markedly.
    There has been a great increase in overall police numbers, but a decrease in real police to do actual police work.If you are interested in finding out about this, you can read Mark Rowley's blog http://thethinkingpoliceman.blogspot...ave-money.html
    The problem is not that UK police are brutal ect, but that if certain crimes are committed eg if you suffer from what is euphemistically called anti-social behaviour and call the police because someone is urinating in your garden or over your car, they are unlikely to come out to deal with it.If your neighbour decides for some reason to throw dog mess over your car, you can have a very long wait if you call the police. I'm sure you've seen some of the stories in the press about people who have suffered worse but have been repeatedly met with indifference and lack of action when they have called the police.You are more likely to be ignored by the police than to become their victim in modern Britain.
    As has been cogently argued elsewhere, the problem is not merely the number of police but the lack of real sanctions and punishment for criminals.You can have as many police as you like, but, if for example, someone is arrested and charged after causing a baby to fall into the path of an oncoming bus and then punished with a small fine and a token number of community service hours, it won't do any good.
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    You're using the term "gestapo" even more carelessly than Churchill did when ranting about socialism...
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    What's that?

    3 or 4 incidents mean the whole Police force are secretly conspiring oppressive Nazi's? Sounds perfectly believable.
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    (Original post by GwrxVurfer)
    I doubt your conclusion very much.
    You are an astute one.
 
 
 
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