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    (Original post by Emaemmaemily)
    Everyone doesn't need outstanding results. If they get decent ones, they can go to college and learn a trade at least. Better than nothing, we need people in those industries too.
    The other students shouldn't have been subject to too much, if the schools do as they should and remove them when necessary. But, a little distraction (a little) helps children learn how to work in an environment that isn't perfectly silent, because the working world isn't like that.
    to back you up, noone needs "outstanding results"
    the best teacher in my old school got a U in general studies in 6th form, and has something like 2Cs and a D i think it was at alevel. and hes one of the few teachers EVERYONE looks up to!

    at GCSE i dont have an A or a B to my name...
    i got into 6th form...

    at AS i have a C and a D
    and A2 i have a D and an E

    im not at uni not only studying to get a degree, but i also get a professional qualification, which in the line of work i want to do, you cant do much without it.

    do like you said, you dont need outstanding grades [=
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    Compulsory sterilisation... Wether that means sterilising the people themselves, or sterilising the classroom from them... Is up to you
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    (Original post by Knowledgemofo)
    I feel your vigour from here.

    Firstly it isn't that bad, those students whom are truly dedicated will go to the homework clubs after school. The only other option is going to see your teacher during your break, which is probably more absurd in a student's perspective.
    Plus the halls will be pretty cleared up after school hours so, homework club may not be that bad. Especially since in 'worse off' areas most of the 'riff-raffs' will be... out.

    Secondly not all teachers need to do it, some teachers may have days when they attend the club and some when they don't; teachers don't usually mind taking out their free time when arranging revision sessions for their pupils close to exam time, so why not apply that for dedicated students?
    Especially since simply chucking out bad students won't solve the problem; they'll still be there and they'll still be bad.

    Thirdly, what's wrong with controversy? Well with the type I'm talking about, a lot. A school can be deemed prejudice if it constantly excludes children from a particular social class.
    Your idea is fine when put into practice with more elite schools (notably grammar, private or pubic) but what about your generic state schools where you'll be bound to get a lot more disruptive pupils? Especially when it is law for children to say in education till the age of 16, last I checked.

    So my idea of homework clubs is absurd when you try to apply it to elite schools such as grammar schools, private schools or even public schools.
    But with state schools? No, sir, my idea does not seem as daft when you apply it to a state school context.
    In a state school, as you'll likely have more people that will "mess around [and] will [likely] fail"... the bright students of those schools will have their future at stake.

    Overall: the idea of simply chucking out pupils that misbehave is fine then you apply it to more elite schools. But not for state schools, however. With that in mind that is where an idea such as mine comes in without looking so absurd.
    Yes but the taxpayer will have to pay the teacher for overtime; why should that be the case?

    Chucking out bad students will solve the problem as they won't be in school; they should be forced to get a job or starve for their insolence

    You're not expelling them for being poor, your expelling them for the benefit of the rest of the class

    Why should they receive an education if it's going to be wasted-Furthermore the law says that they can be home schooled- perhaps forcing them to be "home schooled" is the answer and if they fail then it's up to them.
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    (Original post by PonchoKid)
    noone in our class wanted to do french anyway, hence why we were 3rd set out of 4...
    we had to do it because it was compulsary between year 7 and 9...
    the people that did do their homework, did everything they could to lick the teachers arses in school.

    the rest of us wernt interested in learning french, we turned up because it was compulsary...

    thats what happens in lower school...
    when you get to GCSE most of the trouble makers are out of your lessons, as people choose other subjects. the worst lessons then are maths english and science...

    then at a level we didnt get any trouble makers really, me and my friend disrupted each other in health and social and IT, but thats because IT bored us. and health and social the teachers tailored the lessons to look at nursing, and they knew me and my mate wouldnt be interested as they knew we didnt want to go into nursing, but the majority of the class did...

    so they let us sit in the back corner and get on with what we wanted to do...
    Then you shouldn't have been forced into doing french simples- I belive in the if you don't like it then leave approach when it comes to education.
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    (Original post by PonchoKid)
    to back you up, noone needs "outstanding results"
    the best teacher in my old school got a U in general studies in 6th form, and has something like 2Cs and a D i think it was at alevel. and hes one of the few teachers EVERYONE looks up to!

    at GCSE i dont have an A or a B to my name...
    i got into 6th form...

    at AS i have a C and a D
    and A2 i have a D and an E

    im not at uni not only studying to get a degree, but i also get a professional qualification, which in the line of work i want to do, you cant do much without it.

    do like you said, you dont need outstanding grades [=
    I wouldn't want someone with 2 Cs and a D being a teacher-What do you want to do by the way
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    (Original post by The Bagel Guy)
    Compulsory sterilisation... Wether that means sterilising the people themselves, or sterilising the classroom from them... Is up to you
    Both preferably.
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    I wouldn't want someone with 2 Cs and a D being a teacher-What do you want to do by the way
    Even though they probably worked very hard and got brilliant grades in their degree and pgce?
    It's not all about the results you get as a teenager, you can turn things around.
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    Then you shouldn't have been forced into doing french simples- I belive in the if you don't like it then leave approach when it comes to education.
    tell the governemtn that, its part of the curriculum. luckily i wasnt clver enough at french to do spanish!
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    Both preferably.
    For that we shall need to take adequate precautions. do you think napalm would suffice?
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    I wouldn't want someone with 2 Cs and a D being a teacher-What do you want to do by the way
    he was one of the best teachers in the school, looked up to by both staff and students. i wouldnt have known what results he got if he hadnt have told me, it didnt make me look down on him, it actually made me look up to him more because he wasnt the cleverest, and he had a hard time in school. and to be where he is today is amazing...

    he went to a pretty good uni, and was working at a top comp in my area...

    also i want to be a youth worker, preverably in schools to help keep the badly behaved kids in school and not let them be kicked out when i know they have potential...
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    (Original post by Emaemmaemily)
    Everyone doesn't need outstanding results. If they get decent ones, they can go to college and learn a trade at least. Better than nothing, we need people in those industries too.
    The other students shouldn't have been subject to too much, if the schools do as they should and remove them when necessary. But, a little distraction (a little) helps children learn how to work in an environment that isn't perfectly silent, because the working world isn't like that.
    Go to college and further burdon the taxpayer-On my bus to school, there are far to many people learning jack s*** in "Health and Beauty" or "Hairdressing" these things can be learned on the job.

    You say that bad behaviour teaches kids to work in a noisy environment at work; does this allow me to bully other kids to toughen them up for the real world no-Or at least it shouldn't

    My point is that all that money spend, all that effort on the teachers behalf just for mediocore results; besides who want an english tradesman, when you can hire a nice hardworking Polish man who turns up on time and can actually speak engish
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    (Original post by Emaemmaemily)
    As I've explained... Many "naughty" children won't STAY that way if you discipline them and teach them. Yes, schools are for teaching, and that include the children who resist at first because they don't UNDERSTAND the implications... I've explained all of this before.
    It makes perfect sociological sense.

    In our school we had "head of hall" or "head of faculty"... These people mostly sat around in their office doing stuff, and if someone was particularly naughty they would be sent to them for discipline and "a talk". It worked for a lot of them.
    Schools can *teach* them to behave, that doesn't mean they will.
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    (Original post by PonchoKid)
    he was one of the best teachers in the school, looked up to by both staff and students. i wouldnt have known what results he got if he hadnt have told me, it didnt make me look down on him, it actually made me look up to him more because he wasnt the cleverest, and he had a hard time in school. and to be where he is today is amazing...

    he went to a pretty good uni, and was working at a top comp in my area...

    also i want to be a youth worker, preverably in schools to help keep the badly behaved kids in school and not let them be kicked out when i know they have potential...
    I wish you luck and I hope that you will be able to turn their lives around, but I still stand by my "Hard-line" opinions in this area.
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    Go to college and further burdon the taxpayer-On my bus to school, there are far to many people learning jack s*** in "Health and Beauty" or "Hairdressing" these things can be learned on the job.

    You say that bad behaviour teaches kids to work in a noisy environment at work; does this allow me to bully other kids to toughen them up for the real world no-Or at least it shouldn't

    My point is that all that money spend, all that effort on the teachers behalf just for mediocore results; besides who want an english tradesman, when you can hire a nice hardworking Polish man who turns up on time and can actually speak engish
    I actually agree with you, in my experience specialist schools to deal with children with learning difficulties are much better for a lot of children and much less stressful than mainstream schools. The focus isn't on learning as much, or academics, but maybe thats a better approach for the child in questions and could we say they would be absorbing much more in a mainstream school behaving as they do?

    However, these schools are far more expensive than mainstream schools to run and keep and as it is there are already too few places.
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    (Original post by The Bagel Guy)
    For that we shall need to take adequate precautions. do you think napalm would suffice?
    Of course, and a we should catch it all in high-definition to enjoy again and again while we eat our delicious Bagels
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    Of course, and a we should catch it all in high-definition to enjoy again and again while we eat our delicious Bagels
    Now class, we have abolished the detention system, instead we are going to show you once. AND ONLY ONCE. What happens to those of you that disrupt lessons
    *play video*
    Now, let's watch that in rewind shall we! Bagel anyone?
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    (Original post by lawology)
    I actually agree with you, in my experience specialist schools to deal with children with learning difficulties are much better for a lot of children and much less stressful than mainstream schools. The focus isn't on learning as much, or academics, but maybe thats a better approach for the child in questions and could we say they would be absorbing much more in a mainstream school behaving as they do?

    However, these schools are far more expensive than mainstream schools to run and keep and as it is there are already too few places.
    Wrong quote sir?
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    (Original post by im so academic)
    Schools can *teach* them to behave, that doesn't mean they will.
    They should, and often do. If they don't, it's the school/teacher at fault and not the system.
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    I wish you luck and I hope that you will be able to turn their lives around, but I still stand by my "Hard-line" opinions in this area.
    everyone is entitled to their opinion, and i want to help people who were in the same position i was. if i didnt get the help i would have been kicked out of school, and i have no idea where i would be in my life now.
    so i want to be that person to give them the support they want and need, and to realise their potential and push them through the hard times to better them. and hopefully theyll come out of the other end smelling of roses with ideas for the future, so their not just a wasted person on society...

    dont get me rong, its not a breeze getting people to that stage, i had the tough line in school, i was isolated, excluded, put in detention, had to sit through meetings where my mum would sit and cry... but all those things bettered me, and did more for me than just kicking me out...
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    (Original post by Emaemmaemily)
    Everyone doesn't need outstanding results. If they get decent ones, they can go to college and learn a trade at least. Better than nothing, we need people in those industries too.
    The other students shouldn't have been subject to too much, if the schools do as they should and remove them when necessary. But, a little distraction (a little) helps children learn how to work in an environment that isn't perfectly silent, because the working world isn't like that.
    What a pathetic comment. Imo, I think everyone should have the opportunity for the best subjects and the best grades - not being taught C grade content for Health and Social Care because you deem them not to be "good enough".

    Imo, the EBacc is the best thing to have graced the education system in modern times.
 
 
 
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