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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    It doesn't work in every case, but it does in some. It also allows the victim (if it's bullying/abuse or whatever) to feel that justice has been done. It's a deterrant to the 'minor offendors' (the kids who aren't really bad, the one's who just go too far sometimes) and the hardcore bad ones get what they deserve. In my opinion, it seems quite a good thing.
    Looking back I was given corporal punishment for pretty trivial things; reading comics under my desk was a regular I seem to remember, lol I once got the slipper for selling elastic bands to other children so they could flick stones at a bin in the playground that had become something of a wasp's nest, bizarre I know. That was my last venture into petty capitalism I would even sometimes own up to doing things I hadn't so that, just to relieve the boredom, I would be summoned to the front of the class for a caining. To the extent that corporal punishment has an effect it's probably on the meeker children, reinforcing their unwillingness to do or say anything which would upset the authorities.
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    In regard to corporal punishment, personally I'd suggest it would do the opposite to what you want.
    You tend to find that violence results in more violence. People who are subject to violence are taught that violence is the answer, and so use it themselves. Certainly when I was in school, the people who would hit others for no reason etc etc (the chavs if you like) were often the ones who come from violent families.
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    Looking back I was given corporal punishment for pretty trivial things; reading comics under my desk was a regular I seem to remember, lol I once got the slipper for selling elastic bands to other children so they could flick stones at a bin in the playground that had become something of a wasp's nest, bizarre I know. That was my last venture into petty capitalism I would even sometimes own up to doing things I hadn't so that, just to relieve the boredom, I would be summoned to the front of the class for a caining. To the extent that corporal punishment has an effect it's probably on the meeker children, reinforcing their unwillingness to do or say anything which would upset the authorities.
    Okay that's ridiculous! I wouldn't use it for anything like that, I'd use it for when students were threatening teachers, being abusive, bullying others, or were repeating minor things a lot. Not for selling rubber bands! :lolwut:

    If it was only used for serious 'crimes' so to speak, hopefully the meeker children won't be put down as they won't be the ones comitting the crimes. I was thinking it should be used on the hardcore 'chav' students who have no respect for anyone or anything.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    In regard to corporal punishment, personally I'd suggest it would do the opposite to what you want.
    You tend to find that violence results in more violence. People who are subject to violence are taught that violence is the answer, and so use it themselves. Certainly when I was in school, the people who would hit others for no reason were often the ones who come from violent families.
    Do you think a nice little chat would iron them out; if anything they would see it as getting away with their crime.
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    Do you think a nice little chat would iron them out; if anything they would see it as getting away with their crime.
    I'm not saying that I know what the solution is.
    Just that violence could easily do the opposite of what you want it to do.
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    Do you think a nice little chat would iron them out; if anything they would see it as getting away with their crime.
    Exactly, and that's what happens. People have an attitude of "I'm untouchable, you can't do anything about it, I'll do what i want!" and it needs to stop.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    I'm not saying that I know what the solution is.
    Just that violence could easily do the opposite of what you want it to do.
    If everytime a kid fell out of line he was tasered, he would soon learn.
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    Exactly, and that's what happens. People have an attitude of "I'm untouchable, you can't do anything about it, I'll do what i want!" and it needs to stop.
    I agree, although this is cliched I believe that in schools we focus too much on the kids who are not behaving as they should at the expense of everyone else as well as their victims.
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    I agree, although this is cliched I believe that in schools we focus too much on the kids who are not behaving as they should at the expense of everyone else as well as their victims.
    True. A school I know rewarded 'bad' kids who hasn't misbehaved for a week by taking them on a trip. :facepalm2: This resulted in an A grade student saying "so I might as well piss about for a week and then act nice so I get a trip..."
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    True. A school I know rewarded 'bad' kids who hasn't misbehaved for a week by taking them on a trip. :facepalm2: This resulted in an A grade student saying "so I might as well piss about for a week and then act nice so I get a trip..."
    :eek: Thats shocking, although my school does similar things on a somewhat smaller scale, I hope the A grade student made good on his threat.
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    :eek: Thats shocking, although my school does similar things on a somewhat smaller scale, I hope the A grade student made good on his threat.
    It's so stupid. What they should do is reward the good students to give incentives for people to be well behaved...it's not that difficult! :rolleyes:
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    The Cane. It worked. Discipline and respect for the self and for authority actually existed. And schools didn't turn out total ****wits who talk like they are Jamaican gangsters and who can't even spell their own name.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    In regard to corporal punishment, personally I'd suggest it would do the opposite to what you want.
    You tend to find that violence results in more violence. People who are subject to violence are taught that violence is the answer, and so use it themselves. Certainly when I was in school, the people who would hit others for no reason etc etc (the chavs if you like) were often the ones who come from violent families.
    I kind of see your point but you seem to be suggesting that only violent families use corporal punishment, that is not true just because you punish children for serious misbehaving does not mean you will beat them every time they do something that might annoy you a bit which seems to be the case for violent families.

    Anyway I've always found that a serious talk with children usually works.
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    The Cane. It worked. Discipline and respect for the self and for authority actually existed.
    This.
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    imsoacademic is a realist and you are an idealist; unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world with infinite resources and where everyone will turn out well in the end.
    I am not an idealist at all. And imsoacademic is certainly not living in the real world.


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    Retake your A-levels then.



    Yes, because you are always right yourself.
    Re-taking A levels isn't always an option. And if you can get into university and take it from there anyway, there's no need.
    and I'm not always right, but I generally don't say things that are ridiculous, and get negged all of the time because everyone else can see I'm wrong but me.
    I'm sorry I just can't stand people as high and mighty as you, sitting on your high horse thinking you're better than everyone else, and thinking we should help NO ONE who needs it.
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    (Original post by Emaemmaemily)
    I am not an idealist at all. And imsoacademic is certainly not living in the real world.




    Re-taking A levels isn't always an option. And if you can get into university and take it from there anyway, there's no need.
    and I'm not always right, but I generally don't say things that are ridiculous, and get negged all of the time because everyone else can see I'm wrong but me.
    I'm sorry I just can't stand people as high and mighty as you, sitting on your high horse thinking you're better than everyone else, and thinking we should help NO ONE who needs it.
    You just can't keep away

    You are an idealist as you fail to accept that in a country with limited money, it's not financially viable to allow these people into our education system, when they waste not just their own chance of an education but ruin it for others

    Why should a university let a student with poor grades in on the off chance that they might not do badly at the degree? She, is not saying that students who are not very bright should not recieve, she is saying that those who should misbehave should be permanently taking out of the classroom; if anything this would be better for those who want to learn but need help.

    I feel that you should leave im so academic's negative rep out of the debate as it's meaningless unless you can show that it was justified, furthermore the sort of people who leave -rep are often the sort who can't be bothered to formulate a coherant argument.
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    You just can't keep away

    You are an idealist as you fail to accept that in a country with limited money, it's not financially viable to allow these people into our education system, when they waste not just their own chance of an education but ruin it for others

    Why should a university let a student with poor grades in on the off chance that they might not do badly at the degree? She, is not saying that students who are not very bright should not recieve, she is saying that those who should misbehave should be permanently taking out of the classroom; if anything this would be better for those who want to learn but need help.

    I feel that you should leave im so academic's negative rep out of the debate as it's meaningless unless you can show that it was justified, furthermore the sort of people who leave -rep are often the sort who can't be bothered to formulate a coherant argument.
    Look back over ALL of her posts, it's justified.

    The country has limited money, but that doesn't mean it shouldn spend the money it has on making our society better!
    I've explained how just kicking them out as children without trying to teach them better will actually cost us money, as they will end up living on the welfare state, being criminals (clearly costing a lot of money), etc. That's not positive in any way.

    I've explained how if they are handled properly, they won't "ruin it for others".
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    (Original post by Emaemmaemily)
    Look back over ALL of her posts, it's justified.

    The country has limited money, but that doesn't mean it shouldn spend the money it has on making our society better!
    I've explained how just kicking them out as children without trying to teach them better will actually cost us money, as they will end up living on the welfare state, being criminals (clearly costing a lot of money), etc. That's not positive in any way.

    I've explained how if they are handled properly, they won't "ruin it for others".
    No, it isn't it's just an ad hominem attack based on her reputation (Quite literally)

    Of course money should be spend on making society better, thats why it should not be wasted on these people, they do not want to be in school learning, so instead of paying for them to be there let them leave, and focus on those who want to learn. If they end up unemployed (Which they shouldn't as there always seems to be a toilet which needs cleaning) slash their benefits, if they didn't want to help themselves at school, why should society help them when they've failed at life. If they turn to crime arrest them and give them hard labour to repay their debt to society.

    Firstly they ruin it for others by being naughty, then they ruin for others by having resources (teachers time, textbooks and often rewards for almost normal behaviour) directed at them, which would be better spend on well behaved children who actually want to learn (Even if they are not A* students)
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    (Original post by PendulumBoB)
    No, it isn't it's just an ad hominem attack based on her reputation (Quite literally)

    Of course money should be spend on making society better, thats why it should not be wasted on these people, they do not want to be in school learning, so instead of paying for them to be there let them leave, and focus on those who want to learn. If they end up unemployed (Which they shouldn't as there always seems to be a toilet which needs cleaning) slash their benefits, if they didn't want to help themselves at school, why should society help them when they've failed at life. If they turn to crime arrest them and give them hard labour to repay their debt to society.

    Firstly they ruin it for others by being naughty, then they ruin for others by having resources (teachers time, textbooks and often rewards for almost normal behaviour) directed at them, which would be better spend on well behaved children who actually want to learn (Even if they are not A* students)
    I seriously think you're missing the point. It's not WASTING money paying for these children, because they will mostly GET BETTER, and so they won't become a BURDEN to society and DANGEROUS to society.
    And btw, even cleaning jobs are difficult to get ahold of at the moment. See the other thread about unemployment.

    It's not as simple as "just give them hard labour"... You're talking about changing society a hell of a lot, costing MORE money, and going back several steps in human rights... etc. These things are just impractical.
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    Teabag them.
 
 
 
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