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Should Cannabis be legal watch

  • View Poll Results: Should cannabis be legalised
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    well I'll put my two cents in... (I just did an essay on this related to medicinal cannabis)

    Legalizing cannabis would actually increase consumption, as there was a survey and it found 61% of people that had never tried cannabis would try it if it was legalised.

    Furthermore, in amsterdam, hard drug sellers visit legal cannabis dealers to sell drugs. Around 50% of teenagers in one study said that their legal outlet also sold hard drugs. Moreover 70% of cannabis sold in legal outlets in amsterdam is believed to be from illegal sources.

    As for addiction, there are symptoms of dependancy associated with long term use, the effect are about as bad as smoking (royal college of psychiatrists)

    Cannabis could potentially be WORSE than tabacco in precipitating lung cancer (younger patients than tabacco smokers), although this could be due to differences in smoking style. In vitro studies have shown evidence of mutegenic properties.

    Also theirs, the mental health issue, if you smoke before the age of 15 you are 4 (or 6 cant remember) times more likely to get a mental illness by the time you are 26. There is also lower attainment than average at school and work but this is probably a social factor.
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    I said yes.

    The effects of alcohol and tobacco are far worse and they are legal. I think regulating and taxing it is a win win situation really.
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    Yes. I don't think that we should waste money protecting people from their own choices.
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    All Class C drugs should be legalised and taxed appropriately.

    Class B drugs should be legalised if they pose little or no danger to those using them.
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    Can think of no reasons why it shouldn't be legalized, as long as it's for over 18s, similar to alcohol.

    From what I've read, the biggest risk to mental health is if you use it when you're under 18.
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    (Original post by rugbyladosc)
    I don't think it should be. Don't get me wrong, I love weed, I have smoked an eighth a month since I was 14 and it has never done any harm but I don't think it should be legalized.

    The only reason why I am against legalization is the fact that some of the criminals currently making a living selling, growing and smuggling weed will have to diversify into other criminal activities to survive like robbery, fraud, aggregated assault etc.
    Police resources can be diverted away from cannabis to these additions.
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    (Original post by jamiettt)
    causes paranoia??? rubbish, its actually contains a chemical called CBD which is used to counteract brain damage.

    CBD used to counteract brain damage :rofl:




    ..well I thought it was funny. :getmecoat:











    On a more serious note:

    http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugten.html

    1 Address the real issues
    For too long policy makers have used prohibition as a smoke screen to avoid addressing the social and economic factors that lead people to use drugs. Most illegal and legal drug use is recreational. Poverty and despair are at the root of most problematic drug use and it is only by addressing these underlying causes that we can hope to significantly decrease the number of problematic users.

    2 Eliminate the criminal market place
    The market for drugs is demand-led and millions of people demand illegal drugs. Making the production, supply and use of some drugs illegal creates a vacuum into which organised crime moves. The profits are worth billions of pounds. Legalisation forces organised crime from the drugs trade, starves them of income and enables us to regulate and control the market (i.e. prescription, licensing, laws on sales to minors, advertising regulations etc.)

    3 Massively reduce crime
    The price of illegal drugs is determined by a demand-led, unregulated market. Using illegal drugs is very expensive. This means that some dependent users resort to stealing to raise funds (accounting for 50% of UK property crime - estimated at £2 billion a year). Most of the violence associated with illegal drug dealing is caused by its illegality

    Legalisation would enable us to regulate the market, determine a much lower price and remove users need to raise funds through crime. Our legal system would be freed up and our prison population dramatically reduced, saving billions. Because of the low price, cigarette smokers do not have to steal to support their habits. There is also no violence associated with the legal tobacco market.



    4 Drug users are a majority
    Recent research shows that nearly half of all 15-16 year olds have used an illegal drug. Up to one and a half million people use ecstasy every weekend. Amongst young people, illegal drug use is seen as normal. Intensifying the 'war on drugs' is not reducing demand. In Holland, where cannabis laws are far less harsh, drug usage is amongst the lowest in Europe.

    Legalisation accepts that drug use is normal and that it is a social issue, not a criminal justice one. How we deal with it is up to all of us to decide.

    In 1970 there were 9000 convictions or cautions for drug offences and 15% of young people had used an illegal drug. In 1995 the figures were 94 000 and 45%. Prohibition doesn't work.

    5 Provide access to truthful information and education
    A wealth of disinformation about drugs and drug use is given to us by ignorant and prejudiced policy-makers and media who peddle myths upon lies for their own ends. This creates many of the risks and dangers associated with drug use.

    Legalisation would help us to disseminate open, honest and truthful information to users and non-users to help them to make decisions about whether and how to use. We could begin research again on presently illicit drugs to discover all their uses and effects - both positive and negative.

    6 Make all drug use safer
    Prohibition has led to the stigmatisation and marginalisation of drug users. Countries that operate ultra-prohibitionist policies have very high rates of HIV infection amongst injecting users. Hepatitis C rates amongst users in the UK are increasing substantially.

    In the UK in the '80's clean needles for injecting users and safer sex education for young people were made available in response to fears of HIV. Harm reduction policies are in direct opposition to prohibitionist laws.



    7 Restore our rights and responsibilities
    Prohibition unnecessarily criminalises millions of otherwise law-abiding people. It removes the responsibility for distribution of drugs from policy makers and hands it over to unregulated, sometimes violent dealers.

    Legalisation restores our right to use drugs responsibly to change the way we think and feel. It enables controls and regulations to be put in place to protect the vulnerable.

    8 Race and Drugs
    Black people are over ten times more likely to be imprisoned for drug offences than whites. Arrests for drug offences are notoriously discretionary allowing enforcement to easily target a particular ethnic group. Prohibition has fostered this stereotyping of black people.

    Legalisation removes a whole set of laws that are used to disproportionately bring black people into contact with the criminal justice system. It would help to redress the over representation of black drug offenders in prison.

    9 Global Implications
    The illegal drugs market makes up 8% of all world trade (around £300 billion a year). Whole countries are run under the corrupting influence of drug cartels. Prohibition also enables developed countries to wield vast political power over producer nations under the auspices of drug control programmes.

    Legalisation returns lost revenue to the legitimate taxed economy and removes some of the high-level corruption. It also removes a tool of political interference by foreign countries against producer nations.

    10 Prohibition doesn't work
    There is no evidence to show that prohibition is succeeding. The question we must ask ourselves is, "What are the benefits of criminalising any drug?" If, after examining all the available evidence, we find that the costs outweigh the benefits, then we must seek an alternative policy.

    Legalisation is not a cure-all but it does allow us to address many of the problems associated with drug use, and those created by prohibition. The time has come for an effective and pragmatic drug policy.



    "If the (drug) problem continues advancing as it is at the moment, we're going to be faced with some very frightening options. Either you have a massive reduction in civil rights or you have to look at some radical solutions. The issue has to be, can a criminal justice system solve this particular problem?"
    Commander John Grieve, Criminal Intelligence Unit, Scotland Yard, Channel 4 1997
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    If people want to knock about on drugs. Be my guest. I won't be taking Cannabis anytime soon, legal or not. (I cannot take the smell. Neighbors by our house in the Caribbean smoke it) IMO it smelt quite :vomit:

    BUT............ There are some good sides to legalising it I suppose. Wednesday Bass said most of them on Page 1 of this thread
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    (Original post by Ben Butler)
    It exists purely to satisfy the monetary needs of criminals in the drugs trade.

    Of course it should be illegal.
    lol wat.
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    (Original post by kopite493)
    most of this post is wrong its scientific fact that cannabis has very minimal health consequences if anything it helps with health problems.

    you only say this because of the media ramming it down your throat that all drugs are illegal for a reason
    I'm sorry but cannabis is a potentially dangerous substance that can actually damage health. There's increasing scientific evidence that it damages the ability to concentrate, decreases motivation and more than occasional use in teenagers can effect psychological development. This leads to mental health conditions such as anxiety, depression and even more seriously schizophrenia. People who smoke cannabis are also exposed to toxic chemicals in tobacco smoke.

    Apparently claims on a medical ground have been made for it being useful in treating migraines, headaches, asthma, strokes, parkinson's disease, alzheimer's disease, alcoholism and insomnia. But other than if an individual is unhealthy I would say the cons outweight the pros of using cannabis.

    I also think it's rather easy to blame the media. The media filter news to the public as accurately as possible. If you think some of the scientific facts are distorted then maybe you should blame the scientists for providing them with inadequate information and facts. I'm a Journalism student btw.
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    (Original post by Reml)
    No, the body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit, and drugs ruin the temple god has given us
    Then don't have any. Why would you support prohabtition for everyone because YOUR god says it's wrong?
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    (Original post by Ben Butler)
    I'm sorry but cannabis is a potentially dangerous substance that can actually damage health. Pizza can damage health, doesn't mean it should be illegalThere's increasing scientific evidence that it damages the ability to concentrate, decreases motivation I'm sure there'd be measures to stop people smoking it in situations where concentration and motivation would be needed (School/work etc)and more than occasional use in teenagers can effect psychological development. Implement an age limit, like with alcohol This leads to mental health conditions such as anxiety, depression Alcohol can also trigger these illnessesand even more seriously schizophrenia.Schizophrenia is genetic People who smoke cannabis are also exposed to toxic chemicals in tobacco smoke.As are people who smoke tobacco

    Apparently claims on a medical ground have been made for it being useful in treating migraines, headaches, asthma, strokes, parkinson's disease, alzheimer's disease, alcoholism and insomnia. But other than if an individual is unhealthy I would say the cons outweight the pros of using cannabis. REAL cons of using cannabis: It may trigger psychosis in those with a genetic predisposition to the illness. Not a huge con when compared to the medicinal uses

    I also think it's rather easy to blame the media. The media filter news to the public as accurately as possible. If you think some of the scientific facts are distorted then maybe you should blame the scientists for providing them with inadequate information and facts. I'm a Journalism student btw.
    Bottom line: We should be able to choose what we put into our own bodies, whether for medicinal or recreational purposes.

    The only person who can tell me what I can and can't put into my own body is me.
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    (Original post by jarhead101)
    As for addiction, there are symptoms of dependancy associated with long term use, the effect are about as bad as smoking (royal college of psychiatrists)
    Heavy long term use of ANYTHING leads to (perceived or otherwise) dependency, for example Facebook or your mobile phone. This is not the same thing as having a strong addiction. Cannabis is nowhere NEAR as addictive as the nicotine in tobacco smoke.


    (Original post by jarhead101)
    Cannabis could potentially be WORSE than tabacco in precipitating lung cancer (younger patients than tabacco smokers), although this could be due to differences in smoking style. In vitro studies have shown evidence of mutegenic properties.
    Can We see these studies? because:
    (Original post by pubmed.gov)
    Available scientific data, that examines the carcinogenic properties of inhaling smoke and its biological consequences, suggests reasons why tobacco smoke, but not cannabis smoke, may result in lung cancer.
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    (Original post by Arc)
    The only advantage of legalisation would be to take the profits out of the dealers hands. But this could only happen if the entire process was completely Government controlled. So the government would be growing it processing it and selling it, sure this would make a good income. But smoking anything, even cannabis has been shown to cause lung damage. It does not make sense in a country with socialised health care for the Government to sell something which can damage people's health thus causing expense to the NHS.

    And we've already done that with Alcohol and Tobacco, why cause the same problems again. Tobacco costs the NHS millions, yet it brings in money through taxation, and despite the overall loss (costs more than it brings in) it cannot be removed as it is relied on as a source of income by the Government.
    Smoking tobacco and smoking weed is completely different. With tobacco you are inhaling all types of harmful chemicals and do not disagree with you that it costs the NHS millions. When smoking weed you are inhaling plant matter and has been scientifically proven that a person would have to smoke something like 1000 joints in the space of 20 minutes to have any effect on your health. Not everyone smokes weed with tobacco.
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    All drugs should be legalised. I own my body and only I can decide what to put in it, the state has no right to stop me because it deems drugs to be harmful - especially when its actually prohibition causing most of the harm associated with drugs, rather than the drugs themselves.

    "But usage rates might go up" - so what if they did? If you don't want to smoke marijuana, don't - but what right do you have to stop other people from doing it?
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    Shouldnt be legal cos if it was i wouldnt make any money all the drug companys would come along and put my independent ass outta buisness
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    (Original post by Hurr Durr)
    Legalize and regulate it.

    People can order some weed and smoke it in a booth. They can't take any away with them.

    Recent research has shown that if you smoke weed regularly then you DO increase the CHANCES of developing mental illness later in life. However, some people are more susceptible to it than others.
    Provide a legitimate source and then maybe i'll believe it.
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    (Original post by Ben Butler)
    Cannabis should remain illegal. It's a dangerous drug that has serious health consequences, ones that far outweigh any of the effects of smoking. It exists purely to satisfy the monetary needs of criminals in the drugs trade. Anyone that says that it helps seriously ill people and should be used in hospitals are speaking rubbish as well. There's not enough research to suggest anything. Why are we even having this discussio? Of course it should be illegal.
    You sir need to do your research before talking 100% pure bull****. Your post angered me. The main reason which being your lack of knowledge on the subject. Also how small minded you are and how you clearly accept any bull**** which the media/government feed you. Having an individual opinion wont kill you.
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    In that huge Alcohol thread I had some ****wit try and put this past me when I said weed was better:

    Originally Posted by tufc
    Ummm...no.

    Weed gives you psychosis, and is 4x more carcinogenic that cigarettes. And it's only ever good for chilling out with.
    Alcohol isn't good for you, but not to the same extent as weed (if used in moderation), it is easy to use it without being sucked into other intoxicants, and it's good for going out.



    Amazing. I'll include my original response just in case anyone is thinking of agreeing:
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    Ummm...no.

    There is no evidence AT ALL that weed gives you psychosis. That stuff about it being 4x more carcinogenic than cigarettes is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

    Next time you try and get into an argument about cannabis, make sure you find some sources to back up your claims.

    You won't though. Because they don't exist. Weed has been shown to not make you any more likely to get cancer, and to be less addictive and physically harmful than both alcohol AND tobacco. Not to mention its medical uses. (It is prescribed to cancer patients.)

    http://www.significancemagazine.org/...nd-Part-2.html
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/
    http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/new...to-lung-cancer




    ALSO, check out the video in my sig.
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    There won't be a massive influx of cash for the government, as if they tax it too high, people will just grow it themselves. Also a tax loss from current medication.

    I am in favour of legalisation though as i love the stuff
 
 
 
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