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Corporal punishment in schools

Does anyone here think it would be a good idea to have corporal punishment back in schools?
With all the problems that we have in school today would the threat of getting the cane help?
When my mum was at school you could get caned by the headmaster for swearing, being late to lessons, fighting, smoking etc. My mum was smacked twice at school by the headmaster and my dad got the slipper three times the strap once and the cane once. So school were much stricter but the advantages were that you could also study hard without being disrupted by morons in hoodies and there wasn't thirteen-year-old girls getting pregnant all the time...Would it be better?

Reply 1

supercat

2

Having corporal punishment and not having pregnant teenagers is a correlation, not cause and effect.
Parents aren't allowed to smack their children that hard, why should teachers be able to? I don't agree with harming children because they have misbehaved. Yes, there are problems with discipline but I don't think violence is the answer.

Reply 2

cosmik_debris

100% yes.

Reply 3

N9ne

7

The headmasters should have permission to smack the parents who don't raise their children well.

Reply 4

Katie M

OP

I don't really think a smacked bottom from the headmaster could be describes as harming a child or as being violence can you? It would be painfull for a few minutes but there is no lasting harm is there?

Reply 5

supercat

2

Hitting is always violence. And it could bruise; how do you know it wouldn't leave lasting damage? There would always be teachers abusing their power.

Reply 6

Apricot Fairy

16

Corporal punishment in schools was banned for a reason.

Think about it this way. Schools are where children learn things. If corporal punishment is allowed, one of the things they learn is that violence is the solution to bad behaviour. So they learn that every time someone pisses them off, it's ok to beat them up, and effectively that two wrongs make a right.

Also, what if the offence is beating someone up? A student beats up another student, and their punishment is being caned by the head teacher. What kind of message is that sending out? Basically, it says that the powerful can use violence against the weak, and the weak can use violence against the even weaker.

Reply 7

brown

4

Think about it this way. Schools are where children learn things. If corporal punishment is allowed, one of the things they learn is that violence is the solution to bad behaviour. So they learn that every time someone pisses them off, it's ok to beat them up, and effectively that two wrongs make a right.

That is a very valid comment. I never thought about it that way

Reply 8

Katie M

OP

There may be one or two who do but at the momment it's school bully's who are abusing other kids.

In my mums school her an two other girls were caught smoking when they were about 14-15 and taken to the headmaster, he smacked their bums and they all stopped smoking. These day's those girls would carry on smoking and probably would still be smoking now as adults.

Reply 9

qwerty_st/n

11

i'm totally against it. how long would it be before it gets to the point where teachers/headteachers begin to abuse their power? it's sadistic and warped.

Reply 10

supercat

2

Plus, it could maybe be easier for teachers to sexually harass their pupils? A male teacher may smack a young girl but mean more, if you get me. He could linger or whatever. There are so many problems with corporal punishment and no advantages.

Reply 11

President_Ben

15

N9ne

The headmasters should have permission to smack the parents who don't raise their children well.

No mention of Economic incentives to solve the problem?

I'm disappointed :wink:

if amused

No violence please. And quite seriously, I would use Economic policy methods and incentive theories... the simpliest of which would be charge them an absolute fortune.

Reply 12

Astor

10

supercat

Yes, there are problems with discipline but I don't think violence is the answer

And what IS the solution pussy? ....... since its abolition in '86 - there hasn't been a solution.

Think about it this way. Schools are where children learn things. If corporal punishment is allowed, one of the things they learn is that violence is the solution to bad behaviour. So they learn that every time someone pisses them off, it's ok to beat them up, and effectively that two wrongs make a right.

That sounds very logical and pretty; but you cant explain the INCREASE in anti-social behaviour with the exclusion of CP - in other words - when CP was around - society was relatively better.

CP was abolished because times changed - we thought it didn't have an effect - and now they know they were wrong - but you cant argue the toss to get rid and put it back 20 years later.

The ver liberlas who campaigned to rid of CP, I read, regret doing so in their hippy days because they fear youngsters today.

Such is life.

Reply 13

~Jen~

Completely against it.

Anyway, it wouldn't be viable in today's compensation culture. Aside from teachers misusing it... you'd have kids/ parents overexaggerating to try and get back at a teacher or make money out of it.

Reply 14

cosmik_debris

susiemakemeblue

Corporal punishment in schools was banned for a reason.

No, it was banned because of the bleeding heart and artist do-gooders. 50 years ago we didn't have half of the problems we have in schools today. Teachers are powerless.

Reply 15

supercat

2

Again, you're using correlations. Not helpful. That's like me saying that ice cream sales increase the number of shark attacks on swimmers. :rolleyes:

This is obviously because in hot weather more people eat ice cream and more people go swimming. The two are not directly related.

Reply 16

technik

13

well...violence is increasing in young people...they are hardly becoming model citizens in greater numbers are they? one must wonder what schools are teaching to encourage that...perhaps "we are powerless to stop you" is more prevalant?

a good slap never did anyone any harm.

Reply 17

N9ne

7

President_Ben

No mention of Economic incentives to solve the problem?

I'm disappointed :wink:

if amused

No violence please. And quite seriously, I would use Economic policy methods and incentive theories... the simpliest of which would be charge them an absolute fortune.

You are assuming everyone makes the best possible decision. Kids don't.

Reply 18

Katie M

OP

I don't think that corporal punishment was abused at all, if if was it was very much in the minority of cases. The headmaster at my mums school used to cane the boys and spank the girls because girls were usually punished enough that way unlike boys who didn't fear getting being spanked beyond the age of about thirteen, unlike girls who would see it as deterent until they left at about 16. So even in that enviroment the teacher was trying to use the least amount of force as possible.

Reply 19

Astor

10

Humans accept physical pain from authority - This is why a child who receives pain from a teacher, would never hit back in reaction (back then) - and would probably not bother to invest in a teachers cane, or a board rubber to use street violence - therefore - CP has also got no direct link to ASBO-like behaviour.

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