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    The statistics are out there, Land Rovers, Jaguars (though improving), most French cars and almost all Italian cars tend to always be on the unreliable side.

    Why do you reckon this is the case?
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    Because they're not german
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    (Original post by Naomiimoan)
    Because they're not german
    Opels aren't exactly known to be reliable
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    Aston Martin, Rolls Royce (Originally British) ?

    Ferrari, Lambourghini, Maserati?

    Yeah, french cars...
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    You're forgetting that there are barely any 'British' makers left apart from the likes of Noble, Morgan, Lotus. Back when British cars were actually British there is very much the British attitude of 'that'll do, time for a cuppa'. The French are too interested in their next meal to waste time reading up on electronics and the Italians tend to make staggeringly pretty cars but forget to make them actually work.

    It's a shame really, as through Land Rover's golden years (50's through to the early 90's) they made vehicles which might have bits fall off them, might rattle a bit, would probably let water in and probably weren't that comfortable but damn they wee good at what they were designed to do - which is go anywhere you wanted them to. This era ended in 97-98 with the production of the orignal Freelander, which while being a stroke of genuis and became one of the best selling small 4x4s of all time, cemented Land Rover's reputation for producing dodgy cars which started with the P38A Range Rover in the mid 90's.
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    (Original post by Iorek)
    Opels aren't exactly known to be reliable
    True but the positives outweigh the negatives. The only good british car that springs to mind is Aston Martin and its not exactly readily available :P. Oh Aston Martin :love:
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    All of the british cars ive owned have been very reliable.
    It's the forrign stuff i've always had trouble with!!!
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    I think it's more that the Germans and the Japanese are really good at it and everyone else is just normal. In any case most manufacturers have been bought out by conglomerates, you could make the point that Spanish Seats are generally pretty sound, but that's only because they're just Volkswagens underneath.

    With the Germans I'd say it's more of a public perception that they're good at engineering anyway, so all the best engineers want to work for German car companies. With the Japanese it's just because they're friggin' insane.

    I will agree that it does seem to be the case that if you spend more money on styling you spend less on reliability, all the Japanese and German cars tend to be very boxy and dry.

    As you can see in the cars column, there is a tiered system - Toyota (Japan), GM (America), Volkswagen (Germany) and Hyundai (Korea) at the top. Everyone else, including "France Cars" (PSA) and "Italy Cars" (Fiat) are in the second tier with about half the output.

    Given that Opel (GM) is perceived to be German too there is a significant difference here. There are no British car makers left; Jaguar is a semi-luxury marque and therefore prone to unreliability anyway.
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    (Original post by Arekkusu)
    I think it's more that the Germans and the Japanese are really good at it and everyone else is just normal. In any case most manufacturers have been bought out by conglomerates, you could make the point that Spanish Seats are generally pretty sound, but that's only because they're just Volkswagens underneath.

    With the Germans I'd say it's more of a public perception that they're good at engineering anyway, so all the best engineers want to work for German car companies. With the Japanese it's just because they're friggin' insane.

    I will agree that it does seem to be the case that if you spend more money on styling you spend less on reliability, all the Japanese and German cars tend to be very boxy and dry.

    As you can see in the cars column, there is a tiered system - Toyota (Japan), GM (America), Volkswagen (Germany) and Hyundai (Korea) at the top. Everyone else, including "France Cars" (PSA) and "Italy Cars" (Fiat) are in the second tier with about half the output.

    Given that Opel (GM) is perceived to be German too there is a significant difference here. There are no British car makers left; Jaguar is a semi-luxury marque and therefore prone to unreliability anyway.
    A luxury car or semi-luxury car is prone to unreliability?

    Check out Lexus, also check out the big 3 German premium brands.
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    british made cars are great, but british owned cars?

    I value my life too much.
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    My dad's had a Megane for 7 years, done 150,000 miles and is still going.
    Only thing that's broken is the front bulbs and he buckled a wheel or two on potholes.
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    My experience of French cars has been overall negative - my Citroen AX was too easy to break (although easy to fix), my Renault Megane was bloody awful to drive and my Peugeot 307 was terminally unreliable but a really good car to be in. My current car, a Peugeot 406, is proving so much more reliable - they had fairly good reliability in their day and were a popular fleet car.

    My British cars were all average for reliability - two Rovers (both K-series engines, proper good lump which is no way near as bad as people make out if looked after) and a Ford Escort - just the usual "stuff" went wrong.

    I had a Mk3 VW Golf not long ago and that had superb reliability - its only sin was to leak a bit of radiator coolant very slowly, made up by the fact a light on the dash told you went it went low but it never went low enough to cause damage. I still see this car driving round.

    But, I know people who have had similar motors to the above with good/bad/indifferent experiences. A lot of it I found is reputation which is to some extent unfounded.
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    (Original post by Iorek)
    The statistics are out there, Land Rovers, Jaguars (though improving), most French cars and almost all Italian cars tend to always be on the unreliable side.

    Why do you reckon this is the case?
    Fiats (italian cars) are unreliable because they can have dodgy electrics, and are known for it
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    I tend to drive the old 60's British cars like Mini, Morris Minor and Triumph etc. Very easy to repair, very unreliable but damn they last a long time, most parts you can make up yourself and the parts you need are widely available but every car is at some point unreliable but these days European cars are built to last.
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    Because they weren't built properly. During the ghastly days of the 1970s, with inflation at umpteen percent, the British workforce was usually on strike. On the rare occasions they did turn up to work they (often deliberately) built things half-arsed, leaving screws untightened etc. They were expensive to employ and so costs were cut in manufacture.

    And the French are always on strike and pissed on wine.

    The Italians are distracted by pretty girls.
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    I heard that 'Fiat' stands for 'fix it again tomorrow'

    We've always said we would never buy a French car again, Japanese cars and German are the way forward!
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    You know, I reckon this whole 'unreliability' thing had some basis 15 years ago. But now, reliability wise, I'd rate everyone on the same level..with the exception of the Japanese, who are still leagues ahead. Then again, I'd rather break down occasionally than drive most of the mundane cars the Japanese produce.

    Cars we own and their reliability:

    Range Rover Classic - mechanically sound, electronically a nightmare as it ages.

    Range Rover L322 - pretty damn good, especially considering it was one of the first off the production line.

    Jaguar XKR - flawless, never a single fault.

    E36 BMW - pretty damn good.

    MK5 VW Golf - awful; I hope it gets stolen or spontaneously combusts. It's getting traded in for something exciting in a few months - something British in all likelihood.
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    peugeot 205 diesel (french) -
    not once had a problem.........sold after it had just over 200,000 miles on the clock with no problems in 2007. however i did run out of diesel at one point.....on the highest level of parking in lakeside shopping centre....... but not the car's fault ;/

    fiat 500 diesel (italian........though built in poland) -
    my particular car did not have any mechanical/other build problems at all after 146,000 miles and 3 years of ownership from new ^_^. however at work i have encountered many owners with a problem, especially owners of diesels (usually the turbo)......fiat notoriously not so good with this -.-

    audi a1 diesel (german,assembled in belgium) -
    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-- ......no, i kid ;D it's been good so far, though it's only been here for 8 days.
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    Our 09 BMW 635d has been the most unreliable car we have ever had.

    It is more unreliable than our '67 E-Type!

    Totally hopeless.

    I think BL did a good job at ruining the British Car Industry as a brand. Can't really defend French and Italian cars! They have and always will be useless.
 
 
 
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