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    (Original post by leetay)
    1.It's always been like it. My local Labour council closed our theatre, library and two out of three post offices and sold of the old peoples homes in 2008.
    2.Labours bonus tax was a one off which according to Alistair Darling raise £2billion. The bank levy is permanent and will raise £2.5 billion every year.
    3.They don't really have to. The media make all sorts of nonsense claims all the time and you should take it with a large pinch of salt.
    4.They've only been in government for 10 months. I'm not saying it needs to be stopped just halted which takes a long time.

    As for the Military Covenant it's going through parliament and only recently received its second reading. The British Bill of Rights is an issue which the two parties differ on so they've set up a commission to look into it. I'll give you the knife crime one.

    Whether you admit it or not Labour were more tory than the tories, especially under Blairs leadership.
    I'll reply to this later; I'm off to watch Derby away. However one point; Cameron rejected the Military Covenant saying that 'in the economic diffculties we can't afford it'
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    If I were a Labour Prime Minister/Leader of the opposition, I would take full responsibility for whatever my party did wrong whilst in power. This current approach of deceitfully lying about the economy and economic policy in general is just wrong.

    Look at the budget, for example. Plenty of good things in yet, yet Miliband was going "no cuts!". He also ignored predictions that the UK would outperform most of the EU countries.

    I just hope we have something like 50%+ annual growth by 2015 (a statistical impossibility, I know, but the reasoning is reasonable), so that when 'Red' Ed Miliband is in those Leader's Debates and on the doorstep, he has absolutely nothing of value to say.

    And here is a further proof of Labour's lies about the economy. Remember Lord Myners? He criticised his own party whilst they were still in power, yet just a few days ago in the Lords he was pretending that he never said those things. Just seriously unbelievable stuff. Inconsistent, wrong, lies, etc, etc.
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    (Original post by leetay)
    1.It's always been like it. My local Labour council closed our theatre, library and two out of three post offices and sold of the old peoples homes in 2008.
    2.Labours bonus tax was a one off which according to Alistair Darling raise £2billion. The bank levy is permanent and will raise £2.5 billion every year.
    3.They don't really have to. The media make all sorts of nonsense claims all the time and you should take it with a large pinch of salt.
    4.They've only been in government for 10 months. I'm not saying it needs to be stopped just halted which takes a long time.

    As for the Military Covenant it's going through parliament and only recently received its second reading. The British Bill of Rights is an issue which the two parties differ on so they've set up a commission to look into it. I'll give you the knife crime one.

    Whether you admit it or not Labour were more tory than the tories, especially under Blairs leadership.
    Firstly, I love how you didn't respond back to your little age insult.

    1: The tories are cutting the services that we actually need. How do you explain the Southern areas getting an increase WHILST the poorest areas are getting maximum cuts?

    2: I don't believe that for a second - half of the Tories funding comes from the City. Are they really clamping down? I doubt it.

    3: Clarke has said HIMSELF that he wants to lower prison numbers. The sentencing council on advise from him have said that people with higher amounts of illegal drug possession will now get community service. No, the media isn't making it up, it's listening to our soft Ken Clarke

    4: How can we stop it? We're in the EU, it's a mere inpossibility.

    I don't know where you've got that information from. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ma...itary-covenant

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/fe...ltary-covenant

    I'll just give you a quote from one of the articles:

    '' Defence officials point to comments made last month by defence secretary Liam Fox, when he downgraded the proposal.''
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    (Original post by tulley11)
    Firstly, I love how you didn't respond back to your little age insult.

    1: The tories are cutting the services that we actually need. How do you explain the Southern areas getting an increase WHILST the poorest areas are getting maximum cuts?

    2: I don't believe that for a second - half of the Tories funding comes from the City. Are they really clamping down? I doubt it.

    3: Clarke has said HIMSELF that he wants to lower prison numbers. The sentencing council on advise from him have said that people with higher amounts of illegal drug possession will now get community service. No, the media isn't making it up, it's listening to our soft Ken Clarke

    4: How can we stop it? We're in the EU, it's a mere inpossibility.

    I don't know where you've got that information from. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ma...itary-covenant

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/fe...ltary-covenant

    I'll just give you a quote from one of the articles:

    '' Defence officials point to comments made last month by defence secretary Liam Fox, when he downgraded the proposal.''
    1. As I've said before they should use their reserves to make up for some of the shorfall.
    2.Maybe they haven't clamp down enough on their bonuses but how can they when they are contractually tied? As I said before it was Labour that signed the contract allowing themselves to pay these huge bonuses.
    3.You'll find its the sebtencing council that advices Ken Clarke not the other way round
    4.80% of immigrants come from outside the EU according to ONS figures.

    As I said the militry covenant received its second reading a few weeks ago. I watched it on BBC Parliament with my own eyes.

    As for my age yes I am 28 and no I don't remember everything about the 80s but I do have vague memories of the late 80s and early 90s and my life was just fine and so were my parents. What I don't remember I research.
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    (Original post by leetay)
    1. As I've said before they should use their reserves to make up for some of the shorfall.
    2.Maybe they haven't clamp down enough on their bonuses but how can they when they are contractually tied? As I said before it was Labour that signed the contract allowing themselves to pay these huge bonuses.
    3.You'll find its the sebtencing council that advices Ken Clarke not the other way round
    4.80% of immigrants come from outside the EU according to ONS figures.

    As I said the militry covenant received its second reading a few weeks ago. I watched it on BBC Parliament with my own eyes.

    As for my age yes I am 28 and no I don't remember everything about the 80s but I do have vague memories of the late 80s and early 90s and my life was just fine and so were my parents. What I don't remember I research.
    So your a hypocrite. You talk about me not being able to comment but you have admitted you don't remember much, if anything.
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    (Original post by tulley11)
    So your a hypocrite. You talk about me not being able to comment but you have admitted you don't remember much, if anything.
    I didn't say you can't comment. I was saying you can't hate someone for something you think happened when you weren't even born.

    Seriously what exactly makes you hate her?

    I've done a ton of research and watched a ton of documentrries on the period. I suggest you do the same. You seem to have got some of your facts wrong.
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    I don't think you can simply equate what is politically 'progressive' to what counts as 'reform' - as pretty much any substantive political change can be characterised as a 'reforming' one. For example, a socialist government's re-nationalisation of major industries could be characterised by them as a 'reform' of capitalist profiteering. The same problem no doubt applies to 'progressive', what I regard as progressive as a socialist isn't going to be what you regard as progressive as, say, a conservative, liberal or fascist.
    I don't think it's quite that malleable though, although I acknowledge it certainly means slightly different things to different people. I think it undoubtedly has leanings towards redistribution of wealth towards those less well off (be that directly in the form of money or services). For instance, I don't think many would argue that limiting income tax paid per year to £20,000 would be a "progressive" measure, even those who think it's a good thing.
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    (Original post by leetay)
    I didn't say you can't comment. I was saying you can't hate someone for something you think happened when you weren't even born.

    Seriously what exactly makes you hate her?

    I've done a ton of research and watched a ton of documentrries on the period. I suggest you do the same. You seem to have got some of your facts wrong.
    So I can't hate Hitler then? Thats what your saying.

    Like I've said, I don't like how her policies and how she implemented them.

    Also, please don't tell me what I need to research. I've done dissertations, I've done projects and I've spoke to people. I live in the area, I suggest you come and talk to others rather than (probably) some of your Tory friends.
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    (Original post by tulley11)
    So I can't hate Hitler then? Thats what your saying.

    Like I've said, I don't like how her policies and how she implemented them.

    Also, please don't tell me what I need to research. I've done dissertations, I've done projects and I've spoke to people. I live in the area, I suggest you come and talk to others rather than (probably) some of your Tory friends.
    Which policies exactly?
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    (Original post by leetay)
    Which policies exactly?
    I didn't like how she handled or implemented these things:

    - Northern Ireland - Bobby Sands etc.
    - The Miners Strike or how she handled any of the Industries.
    - The Council Houses she sold off.
    - Poll Tax.
    - Privatisation (linked I guess to point two.)
    - Section 28.

    Before you mention the Industries or the Council Houses (you'll probably release the same old spin) explain why Section 28 was correct? Do you support her homophobic views?
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    (Original post by tulley11)
    I didn't like how she handled or implemented these things:

    - Northern Ireland - Bobby Sands etc.
    - The Miners Strike or how she handled any of the Industries.
    - The Council Houses she sold off.
    - Poll Tax.
    - Privatisation (linked I guess to point two.)
    - Section 28.

    Before you mention the Industries or the Council Houses (you'll probably release the same old spin) explain why Section 28 was correct? Do you support her homophobic views?
    What exactly do you not like about the council house sell off?
    What about her handling of the miners strike do you dislike?
    What about privatisation do you disagree with?

    I'll give you the poll tax and section 28 although David Cameron has admitted it was wrong and apologised for it. Guess you don't accept that apology.
 
 
 
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