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    (Original post by 01010000 01001010)
    I'm doing a diploma + Mathematics and Human Biology (A levels), mainly because it's a specialist diploma aimed at those who want to go into Biomed/Biochem/Biotech/Microbio/etc which I had originally wanted to do. But once I started on the Physics modules within the BTEC I was hooked and decided to stay on the BTEC (and continue with Maths+Bio) and then do Phy/FM once I have completed it.
    Slightly confused but cool. Isn't a diploma + maths and human bio A-levels the workload of 5 A levels? So you could have done maths, bio, chem and phys A-levels (or added FM if you wanted to do 5 A-levels)?
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    (Original post by angelmxxx)
    Slightly confused but cool. Isn't a diploma + maths and human bio A-levels the workload of 5 A levels? So you could have done maths, bio, chem and phys A-levels (or added FM if you wanted to do 5 A-levels)?
    Yes! But I didn't because I was set on doing Biomed and uni and the BTEC (Being Applied Medical Science) was much more appealing, in retrospect I certainly wished I had done Phys, Maths, FM and Bio A-Levels but ah well, now I will end up with all of them + a diploma...
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    (Original post by 01010000 01001010)
    Yes! But I didn't because I was set on doing Biomed and uni and the BTEC (Being Applied Medical Science) was much more appealing, in retrospect I certainly wished I had done Phys, Maths, FM and Bio A-Levels but ah well, now I will end up with all of them + a diploma...
    Oh right, I see. I was just interested because the reason I did 5 A levels was so I could avoid making choices until the last minute, and I thought you might have done a similar thing.

    That's really good that you get funding for doing A levels as well though.
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    I'm sick & tired of BTECs being undervalued!

    Let's make a stand, BTECs deserve the same respect as any other qualification.

    If you agree, join the group below:

    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/group.php?groupid=1286

    Thanks.

    Discussion point starters: What BTEC are you doing?

    Edit: I'm all for freedom of speech but this thread is for people who are in FAVOUR of BTECs, please don't post AGAINST. I urge fellow supporters to simply -ignore- those who post to seek a negative reaction. Don't let ANTI-BTEC supporters ruin/close this thread, you can help prevent this thread closing by -ignoring- comments that you think may be AGAINST BTECs.
    If you support the BTEC, you should be able to defend arguments against the BTEC.

    If you aren't able to, or refuse to, surely that suggests that the BTEC isn't as respectable as you claim it to believe? (Otherwise you would be able to contradict the arguments against it).

    Also, what reasons are you suggesting that BTECs should get the same respect as any other qualification? You're basing that without any scrap of evidence.
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    -ignored- (avoids argument)...
    Stupid counter argument, you can't even defend BTEC and you want it to be equal no it shouldn't be equal.
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    What are they, A levels for northerners?
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    First of all well done on getting distinction. Second the bit in bold is EXACTLY why I made this thread. I don't think it is fair that we *people doing BTECs* should be quiet and let others undervalue BTECs.
    It is fair if people are able to justify why A-levels/International Baccalaureate is better than the BTEC for specific purposes, e.g. for university entry.

    If you feel BTECs should not be undervalued compared to these qualifications - explain why?

    If they can speak out, so can we. If moderators close this thread, ask yourself, why is it fair that someone could discriminate against someone else for enhancing their knowledge on their interests?
    You are assuming that every student who takes the BTEC will enhance their knowledge on their interests. That is a false, and in fact a weak, statement to make.

    Many BTECs are optional so we should not discriminate but instead we should RESPECT someone trying to plan a better future for themselves through a BTEC.
    Is it fair, however, than some people may be denied the university course that they so desire due to being forced to take BTECs? Many BTECs are optional, however for those who are forced to do it, it limits their options - depending on what they want to do in life. Sadly they receive the information far too late.

    It shouldn't be classed as 'worse' nor 'better' but instead EQUAL.
    Why? And equal with regards to what?

    How is it right for someone to criticise another persons' career path? What effect does this have on them? It doesn't, it shouldn't!
    Criticising a qualification does not mean they are criticising the career path. There are many criticisms against GCSEs for example.

    People will always criticise anything, irrespective of the negligible effect it would have on them. That is simply a bland statement and is not specific to the BTEC qualification.
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    -ignored- (avoids argument)...
    So you cannot even defend the BTEC?

    How do you expect people to agree with you?
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    An alternate thread could be: Click here if you agree that GCSEs should be treated equally to A levels.

    Equality isn't some arbitrary thing, and you devalue it if you think so. Academic qualifications are necessarily not equally valued.
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    -ignored- to avoid argument and /thread closing.
    ignored because you have no substantial response other than bitterness?
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    (Original post by mangoh)
    hopefully , this is my second BTEC, I got DDD in science BTEC but I wasn't sure on what career to go for.

    How about u?


    glad u joined


    U done 5 a level? no btec? confused??
    Just (haha just) 5 A levels. Was just interested in the person who did BTEC + A levels then more A levels!
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    Sorry mangoh, I can't join your group simply because I don't really "love" or support BTEC courses.

    (Original post by im so academic)
    If you support the BTEC, you should be able to defend arguments against the BTEC.

    If you aren't able to, or refuse to, surely that suggests that the BTEC isn't as respectable as you claim it to believe? (Otherwise you would be able to contradict the arguments against it).

    Also, what reasons are you suggesting that BTECs should get the same respect as any other qualification? You're basing that without any scrap of evidence.
    Maybe if you actually engage on a discussion with Im so Academic who actually made good points about it, you could change my mind
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    OP, for once I'm applauding im so academic's well-structured argument, and I think you should provide us with some more insight if you'd like us to join.

    BTECs are designed to be vocational qualifications, even in more traditional subjects. A-Levels were designed to be academic. Naturally, university is academic and so it seems quite fitting that universities should give BTEC students due consideration, but that they might not look so favourably on a BTEC so much as A-Levels.

    When people put qualifications side-by-side and say things like, "1 BTEC National Diploma is equivalent to 3 A-Levels", they don't mean that they demonstrate equivalent knowledge. For example, someone with a BTEC ND in Programming might be more suited to a programming job position than an IT graduate.

    Additionally, BTECs can often be considered more specific. Let's take a BTEC ND in Communications Technology for example. Whilst very useful for a general Computing position, a job which entails a fair bit of electronic engineering is possibly better suited to a leaver with A-Levels in Maths, Computing, and Physics.

    Lastly, the EdExcel website actually continuously refers to BTECs as qualifications which are useful vocational supplements to A-Levels, rather than ideal qualifications on their own. Of course taking them standalone is fine, but the impressions given off by the exam board seems to differ.
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    Hmm,
    BTEC = Coursework
    A Level =Exam or Exam + Coursework
    Exam + Coursework > Coursework

    thats why BTEC's are undervalued. In secondary school i was remember them being for the 'unable'. Same with college, those who didn't get the grades for A levels did BTEC's . Im not saying their for stupid people, they just don't weight as much an a level
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    Coming from someone currently taking a BTEC (IT Practitioners), I can honestly say it is an awful and almost useless course. I chose to take it after crashing out at AS level (due to personal reasons) and at a time where I didn't really know what I wanted to do in life. Looking back at the open days, the course was oversold and promised a lot more than it actually delivered.

    A lot of the units seem to have either little relevance, or little in new content. An example is the fact that I've so far taken 3 units that all relate around "Employability in IT". One would have been fine, I didn't need three to remind me how to interpret a company's code of ethics. As a result I find that a lot of assignment criteria can be fulfilled just by copy+pasting extracts of previous assignments.

    Another problem is that, for a course supposedly great for creating competent IT Technicans, there is very little related content. We've taken apart computers a whole three times (which I don't really mind as I've had a lot of experience doing so already, however there are people in my class that can't differentiate between a graphics card and a modem) as well as taken multiple units on things I personally regard as useless such as table based web design (which is severely out dated) and stop-motion animation. The only shining light on the course is Programming, yet we only do that once a week and the lessons have been gradually dumbed down due to people not bothering to listen and thus failing at very basic principles. I've gone for maximum marks in most things, but at the same time it really isn't difficult; very little has a distinction level criteria made me have to think in-depth. Self study of A-level Maths has had me breaking more of a sweat.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the BTEC is great for some courses and I can see where it would benefit some people, however my personal experience has been horrible and has often felt like a waste of two years in which I regret not retrying A-levels.

    TL/DR - For a course that is supposed to be catered towards "Employability" as technicians/IT support, I wouldn't employ anyone on my course if I knew what units they had taken. I've learnt more doing voluntary work one day a week at a local charity/computer centre. A-levels, to me, seem more valuable especially since they make give you a lot more University options.
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    (Original post by c4za69)
    Coming from someone currently taking a BTEC (IT Practitioners), I can honestly say it is an awful and almost useless course. I chose to take it after crashing out at AS level (due to personal reasons) and at a time where I didn't really know what I wanted to do in life. Looking back at the open days, the course was oversold and promised a lot more than it actually delivered.

    A lot of the units seem to have either little relevance, or little in new content. An example is the fact that I've so far taken 3 units that all relate around "Employability in IT". One would have been fine, I didn't need three to remind me how to interpret a company's code of ethics. As a result I find that a lot of assignment criteria can be fulfilled just by copy+pasting extracts of previous assignments.

    Another problem is that, for a course supposedly great for creating competent IT Technicans, there is very little related content. We've taken apart computers a whole three times (which I don't really mind as I've had a lot of experience doing so already, however there are people in my class that can't differentiate between a graphics card and a modem) as well as taken multiple units on things I personally regard as useless such as table based web design (which is severely out dated) and stop-motion animation. The only shining light on the course is Programming, yet we only do that once a week and the lessons have been gradually dumbed down due to people not bothering to listen and thus failing at very basic principles. I've gone for maximum marks in most things, but at the same time it really isn't difficult; very little has a distinction level criteria made me have to think in-depth. Self study of A-level Maths has had me breaking more of a sweat.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the BTEC is great for some courses and I can see where it would benefit some people, however my personal experience has been horrible and has often felt like a waste of two years in which I regret not retrying A-levels.

    TL/DR - For a course that is supposed to be catered towards "Employability" as technicians/IT support, I wouldn't employ anyone on my course if I knew what units they had taken. I've learnt more doing voluntary work one day a week at a local charity/computer centre. A-levels, to me, seem more valuable especially since they make give you a lot more University options.
    Agreed.

    It's annoying, if people can't do the work they dumb down the whole lesson for other people.

    However, as i do enjoy the programming, it was one course which you can go further than your peers (which of course is not needed)

    (Original post by mangoh)
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    Are you serious? you want people to show some sort of respect for doing BTEC :/ and yet you can't justify it? i don't see a reason why people should join, "i'm so academic" made some good points and yet you ignore them. Nobody should join until you can explain why they should be
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    (Original post by im so academic)
    So you cannot even defend the BTEC?

    How do you expect people to agree with you?
    Would u mind?

    (Original post by mangoh)
    thanks! are you doing a btec if you don't mind me asking?



    I'm happy to debate the comments if ImSoAcademic chooses to post again (I didn't post back because originally I wanted to ignore all anti-btec views as I didn't want this thread to be closed)....

    Are you doing a BTEC if you don't mind me asking?
    Yes, I'm 2nd Year of doing IT BTEC, i dont think they will close it, their's be arguing on BTEC going on since November. if you can proper debate it will be fine.
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    Btecs fail at learning. The fact is, Gcse's have you recall in order to evaluate if you have learnt.

    Whereas, BTECS consist of copying from a book.


    For the record I switched from science BTEC to GCSE in the last year. Although I had gone over the content before in the BTEC, I had to completely relearn it.
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    I did btec nd in computer studies, yet im quite going quite well on my beng telecoms network engineering degree (going into 3rd yr)
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    I take 2 BTEC's and I think they should be taken as equal to A-Levels, the same amount of effort has to be put in, the only difference is I think you have more control over the grade you achieve. I prefer BTEC's as I struggle with exams I panic to much and find that I am able to get the best grade, this way allows me to get the grades I deserve & One last thing, with schools and colleges now only teaching the BTEC's of some subjects which students are interested in it means students have to take the BTEC equivalent if that is what they want to do at UNI or do there career in.
 
 
 
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