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    Would the BNP benefit from AV?

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    Don't think so. I hate them so they'll be my least preferred. I doubt they'll get many second preference votes like the Green Party or like the Lib Dem's would have if they hadn't sold out.
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    I'd imagine the BNP would recieve the 'least-prefered' number on most peoples' ballots.
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    Not really. Although they may see a small increase in support initially, all this will do will force the larger parties to be more concerned with matters that radical parties are concerned about. And hence the only people that will be voting bnp will be the true racists.

    It happened in Scotland under ams with the greens. Many people in Scotland are concerned with renewable energy, but wouldn't vote greens under fptp. However since ams saw a sharp rise in green support it forced all the main parties to become more environmentally minded. Now we have an snp govt that has made Scotland one of the world leaders in renewable energy, and all parties now have renewable energy as one of their main manifesto policies.
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    Not even remotely. Currently they can get in on 20-30% if the moderate vote is split. To get a seat now they need half of the constituents to list them, which Labour/Lib Dem/Tory voters are unlikely to do.

    FPTP helps the BNP
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    Probably not seeing as the BNP are backing a "no to AV" campaign last I heard.
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    (Original post by Callum828)
    Not even remotely. Currently they can get in on 20-30% if the moderate vote is split. To get a seat now they need half of the constituents to list them, which Labour/Lib Dem/Tory voters are unlikely to do.

    FPTP helps the BNP
    Indeed. Under FPTP all the BNP needs is a dedicated minority and the other parties to be split to win a seat.

    Not that the BNP winning a seat would be absolutely terrible. Might show us how well they actually do in the commons so next time everyone just laughs at them. And even if they don't do that badly surely racists, bigots and xenophobes deserve, proportionally, a voice as much as nice, rational tolerant people? Liberal Democracies show their strength in how they allow extreme views to be expressed rather than limiting everything to the Platonic Golden Mean.
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    Off topic but is it true that in an AV vote if the second candidate gets half as many votes as the first they win?
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Off topic but is it true that in an AV vote if the second candidate gets half as many votes as the first they win?
    No, that's not even close to true. Where did you read that?
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    No they're actually against AV.
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    (Original post by Callum828)
    No, that's not even close to true. Where did you read that?
    Just something I saw online. Thought it was wrong.
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    So what if it benefits the BNP? They're obnoxious bigots, but maybe the liberals running the major parties will actualy have to take people who disapprove of their ideology seriously.

    Anything that takes power away from the hands of party managers and their wealthy backers has got to be good for this country.
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    I thought it would benefit the BNP - all the marginal/closet racists would have an opportunity to put BNP as their second/third choice after their standard choice.
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    (Original post by Dave Davidson)
    Would the BNP benefit from AV?

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    The real danger of this AV with regard to minority extremist parties is that it means major parties have to pander to them to get the second priority votes of BNP members. They have to make their policies appeal not just to their own voter base, but extremist voter bases that are on the same side of the political spectrum, in doing this you run the risk of creating a sense that the views people like the BNP espouse are worth being aired and discussed in a serious political setting allowing the BNP (or other parties) to appear more mainstream.
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    People, don't put the BNP as a 'preference' on your ballot papers...

    You don't have to rank all the parties that appear, but if you do there's a chance that your vote for the BNP will be counted.

    I think people will put the BNP as their first choice, with the main parties lower down to make sure their voice is heard. After all, if your first vote is for the party that gets in, your 2nd, 3rd, etc choices don't matter and won't be used.
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    (Original post by Dave Davidson)
    Would the BNP benefit from AV?

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    No.

    In fact, it would make it much worse for them, as they don't stand to receive anyone's second preferences - they only have a core of dedicated voters. FPTP is much better for them because it potentially allows them to eventually gain a seat with a relatively small proportion of the vote, as long as the rest of the vote is split between other candidates.

    For this reason, the BNP oppose AV.
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    (Original post by big-bang-theory)
    The real danger of this AV with regard to minority extremist parties is that it means major parties have to pander to them to get the second priority votes of BNP members. They have to make their policies appeal not just to their own voter base, but extremist voter bases that are on the same side of the political spectrum, in doing this you run the risk of creating a sense that the views people like the BNP espouse are worth being aired and discussed in a serious political setting allowing the BNP (or other parties) to appear more mainstream.
    If, say, Major Party A decided to do that, then Major Party B would just need to **** them off for being racists to get some more of the swing voters.
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    (Original post by big-bang-theory)
    The real danger of this AV with regard to minority extremist parties is that it means major parties have to pander to them to get the second priority votes of BNP members. They have to make their policies appeal not just to their own voter base, but extremist voter bases that are on the same side of the political spectrum, in doing this you run the risk of creating a sense that the views people like the BNP espouse are worth being aired and discussed in a serious political setting allowing the BNP (or other parties) to appear more mainstream.
    They already have to do this. Especially if the BNP don't even field a candidate, leaving all those racist votes ready for the taking
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    (Original post by Hopple)
    If, say, Major Party A decided to do that, then Major Party B would just need to **** them off for being racists to get some more of the swing voters.
    And likewise major party A would be ****ging off major party B for pandering to whatever extremist views on its side of the spectrum it's having to support in order to win votes.

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    They already have to do this. Especially if the BNP don't even field a candidate, leaving all those racist votes ready for the taking
    No they don't because they don't need their support to win. If the BNP do field a candidate then there's no point even trying to win their vote and chances are BNP are fielding candidates in the places they think they have the best chance of winning due to large numbers of BNP voters there.
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    (Original post by big-bang-theory)
    And likewise major party A would be ****ging off major party B for pandering to whatever extremist views on its side of the spectrum it's having to support in order to win votes.
    So both A and B stop trying to get the extremists votes?
 
 
 
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