Who do you think benefits from the route higher education in this country is going down? Does anyone benefit?(Original post by Aeschylus)
I personally think 80% cut in university funding is the most stupid educational move this government could have achieved. UKwide research, for our population, outstrips almost any nation apart from America. What it will do is create more LSE/Durham cases; going to dodgy sources to secure income and relying on rich international students to pay the bills. Funding tuition fees is an investment that reaps rewards for the government in a highly educated citizenry who can be part of the 'knowledge economy' people keep banging on about
However the cat's out the bag now and no government will reverse tuition fees. We're going down the route to an American style higher education system, where people are locked into ridiculous debts which means that employers can do all sorts of horrible things and people won't leave because they have debt approaching 6 figures hanging over their heads. Lovely
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Who do you think benefits from the route higher education in this country is going down? Does anyone benefit?
It will turn the running of universities ever more into a business. Fair enough universities should not be a law unto themselves. But subjects, which provide development and analytical skills have a great risk of being thrown on the scrapheap because they do not provide an immediate monetary benefit. Kids unless they have an inheritance the size of Belize, will not queue up to learn English or History in the numbers they do now. Now whether you agree that these are 'proper' subjects a good english or history degree is no joke (English student speaking). Knowledge for knowledge's sake is passe; it's telling that people justify increased tuition because you earn more with a degree. So that's rather sad.
It's great for businesses. Having graduates who'll turn up at the weekends, not on overtime and take a pay cut because they're grateful to have a job, have a huge amount of debt hanging over them, and know there's thousands of graduates out there who will do their job if they don't want to will increase job insecurity. At the very worst if there is a considerable decrease in students you could see many major businesses decamping from Britain. We have huge bioscience, pharmaseutical and financial industries; if they go we are sunk
tl;dr good for established university vice-chancellors and CEOs of huge corporations, rubbish for anyone else, especially people who think education is not just the pay check you get out of it afterwards.
EDIT: negged, for what? my opinion?Last edited by Aeschylus; 15-04-2011 at 14:45. -
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(Original post by RK)
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Royal Holloway Announced 9000
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- 14-04-2011 18:06
(Original post by -honeybee-)
Are you a teacher? This question sounds very 'teacher-like'.
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Royal Holloway Announced 9000
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- 14-04-2011 20:39
Thought so
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Why don't they charge those people who benefited from a free university education (many of which are current MPs
) through a very late graduate tax?
I know it will never happen but I think they should contribute something, although it probably won't make a dramatic difference to the new fees. -
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- 14-04-2011 23:53
(Original post by woods.vanessa)
Why don't they charge those people who benefited from a free university education (many of which are current MPs) through a very late graduate tax?
I know it will never happen but I think they should contribute something, although it probably won't make a dramatic difference to the new fees.
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What is Cardiff playing at?
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- 15-04-2011 09:41
Queen Mary University of London announced £9000 fees yesterday and have been added to the map.
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- 15-04-2011 13:08
The University of East London is the latest to announce fees of £9000 a year.
Teesside University has also announced fees of £8500 for all undergraduate degrees.
Roehampton University have announced fees from £7500 to £8250.
St George's University of London have announced fees of £9000 for undergrad degrees.
What do you guys think of this?
What about the growing list of universities which are charging £9000? Are there any surprises amongst those which want to charge the full amount? Are there any surprises amongst those who aren't charging the full amount?Last edited by RK; 15-04-2011 at 13:31. -
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I've just read that Roehampton will charge majority @ £7,900 but some specialist courses @ £8,250.
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I really hope the government decide to lower the limit of fees to something that won't discourage me from taking a gap year and applying to Cambridge/UCL etc. for a different course as I made a mistake about my current one. There is a still a chance (however small) that fees may not be as high as £9000 as it is not finalized yet, so all I can do is hope universities will receive part of their funding from elsewhere.
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University of East London £9k?
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- 15-04-2011 13:50
Kingston University announce fees of £8500 for most courses and up to £9000 for some courses.
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- 15-04-2011 14:18
(Original post by A level Az)
I really hope the government decide to lower the limit of fees to something that won't discourage me from taking a gap year and applying to Cambridge/UCL etc. for a different course as I made a mistake about my current one. There is a still a chance (however small) that fees may not be as high as £9000 as it is not finalized yet, so all I can do is hope universities will receive part of their funding from elsewhere. -
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(Original post by nexttime)
I think the chances of that are extremely slim. -
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- 15-04-2011 14:29
What a surprise???????
http://www.docklands24.co.uk/news/un..._fees_1_867095
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What is the world coming to O_O
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