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    I'm (or rather, will be in September) an International Student so I don't know much about universities outside the top 30.

    I recently applied for Master's programs at various universities, mainly top 30 schools, but 1 below 30 (my safety school). On Monday I got an offer from my safety school, about 10 days after I submitted my application. (I won't mention the name of the university to avoid prejudiced responses) Anyway, yesterday I got an email from one of the other unis asking when they were going to get my references. Meaning this school didn't get my references before they made their decision. That was confirmed when I got an email from one of my referees saying he'll send out the references by Friday.

    I find this very odd, and I'm wondering how good this school could be if they were so quick to give me an offer.
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    (Original post by Mad4footie)
    I'm (or rather, will be in September) an International Student so I don't know much about universities outside the top 30.

    I recently applied for Master's programs at various universities, mainly top 30 schools, but 1 below 30 (my safety school). On Monday I got an offer from my safety school, about 10 days after I submitted my application. (I won't mention the name of the university to avoid prejudiced responses) Anyway, yesterday I got an email from one of the other unis asking when they were going to get my references. Meaning this school didn't get my references before they made their decision. That was confirmed when I got an email from one of my referees saying he'll send out the references by Friday.

    I find this very odd, and I'm wondering how good this school could be if they were so quick to give me an offer.
    They want your money :p:

    There is not some gulf from this arbitary number of 30 and below. There are still a number of Russell and 1994 Group universities outside the top 30 who are still comparable to those within the top 30, for example.

    It's quite easy to discover which university this is and, no, it's not a "crappy" university. It is a former polytechnic, which will make the eighteen year olds recoil in horror, but it is significant strength in law, fashion, business and a number of other departments.

    I'd chose its law programmes over those of the Russell Group university in that city. Or my own university (Durham) despite both considered to be strong/very strong law schools indeed.

    It's probably more a question of "crappy department" than crappy university and, as you haven't mentioned the course, it is difficult to give you any feedback regarding its quality or how in demand it is.

    Moved to the postgrad forum.
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    (Original post by River85)
    It's probably more a question of "crappy department" than crappy university and, as you haven't mentioned the course, it is difficult to give you any feedback regarding its quality or how in demand it is.
    The course is International Development.
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    (Original post by Mad4footie)
    I'm (or rather, will be in September) an International Student so I don't know much about universities outside the top 30.

    I recently applied for Master's programs at various universities, mainly top 30 schools, but 1 below 30 (my safety school). On Monday I got an offer from my safety school, about 10 days after I submitted my application. (I won't mention the name of the university to avoid prejudiced responses) Anyway, yesterday I got an email from one of the other unis asking when they were going to get my references. Meaning this school didn't get my references before they made their decision. That was confirmed when I got an email from one of my referees saying he'll send out the references by Friday.

    I find this very odd, and I'm wondering how good this school could be if they were so quick to give me an offer.
    In all fairness, you probably do not know much about the universities in the top 30 either. Nevertheless, I do not really know what you plan to achieve with this thread; to have your own prejudices confirmed?
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    (Original post by evantej)
    In all fairness, you probably do not know much about the universities in the top 30 either. Nevertheless, I do not really know what you plan to achieve with this thread; to have your own prejudices confirmed?
    I know more about the top 30 because they are the ones known worldwide I know people who went/go to some of those universities and my cousin lectured at Nottingham uni, plus I did my year abroad there. So I know more than you think.

    If I was prejudiced I wouldn't have applied. It's the fact that they didn't have my recommendations before they made their decision (which are supposed to be part of the application requirements) that's got me questioning them. I just want to be sure I won't be wasting my dad's money if I go there.
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    (Original post by Mad4footie)
    I know more about the top 30 because they are the ones known worldwide I know people who went/go to some of those universities and my cousin lectured at Nottingham uni, plus I did my year abroad there. So I know more than you think.

    If I was prejudiced I wouldn't have applied. It's the fact that they didn't have my recommendations before they made their decision (which are supposed to be part of the application requirements) that's got me questioning them. I just want to be sure I won't be wasting my dad's money if I go there.
    Are you applying for funding?

    If you're not they're probably all going to offer you a place anyway. There are very few master's courses that are so full to the brim that the University can't squeeze in someone else in, particularly when they're paying international students' fees. Basically they're looking for two things good first degree? and can you write in English properly? I'm sure you pass both of these tests, so the recommendations will just be a formality.

    They may also be approaching the interview process like a job, i.e. chase up references after you've accepted, so if you don't they don't waste their time.
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    (Original post by Mad4footie)
    I know more about the top 30 because they are the ones known worldwide I know people who went/go to some of those universities and my cousin lectured at Nottingham uni, plus I did my year abroad there. So I know more than you think.

    If I was prejudiced I wouldn't have applied. It's the fact that they didn't have my recommendations before they made their decision (which are supposed to be part of the application requirements) that's got me questioning them. I just want to be sure I won't be wasting my dad's money if I go there.
    If it makes you feel any better then I can tell you that a prestigious 1994 group and Russell Group university gave me an offer without any references either.

    Nevertheless, I still do not really know why you made this thread. Just because you applied does not mean that you are not prejudiced; the fact you do not know much about the university (I know which one you are talking about), the department or the area makes me question why you bothered applying there in the first place, and how much you actually know of the other more prestigious universities.

    Prestige very often has no basis in reality (my experience with Manchester Metropolitan University is far better than with the University of Manchester, for example), particularly when certain prestigious universities are mentioned, and more often than not it is undergraduate students who perpetuate this to make themselves feel better at the expense of others. They might justify to themselves that they are making an informed choice because they went on an open day or they know someone who went there, but really it is meaningless to you as a postgraduate. When someone asks me what it is like at Bristol, especially when they ask about programmes in the same department, I tell them, but with a warning that my experience will be different to theirs because I am a postgraduate.

    Ironically, both me and River85 come from the area where this university is so we could help quite specifically (except when it comes to the actual programme, that is)...
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    What exactly is your point?:confused: The department may simply have a policy of giving offers to all or nearly all of their overseas applicants, but that doesn't automatically make it a rubbish department or course, surely? If you don't really want to go there, that's fine, of course - presumably you had a reason for making this your fall-back choice and you'll probably be getting more than one offer anyway. But I don't really see how trying to justify a decision which you already seem to have made by looking for reasons why this university can't be any good, is going to help.:erm:
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    I simply wanted my mind set at ease. I'll admit maybe I am a bit prejudiced, but can you blame me? It's not very high up in the league tables. I applied because I like the course but I needed to make sure it has a good reputation with employers because I'm not paying all that money to graduate and not be able to get a job. Despite the hostility of some of you, my mind is now at ease, so thanks for all your input.
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    It's not uncommon for offers to be given out 'subject to satisfactory references', particularly if the applicant's academic record is very good...
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    With an international development MA, I'd be looking carefully at two things - is there a convincing range of modules offered (i.e. is there really a proper specialism in development at the university or is it just a course made up of modules offered on other degrees with one core module)? And secondly, do the staff teaching it have any real connections to development organisations? If they don't then I wouldn't go near it (assuming you're doing it to try and break into a development career). Don't know where else you've applied but the development practitioners I know, seem to speak highly of the MAs on offer at Sussex, UEA, Manchester, Bradford, SOAS and LSE (although that's a much more theoretical course). It might be worth comparing what those places offer with what Northumbria is offering to get an idea of the relative quality. I'd worry more about the issue of how good the course is than how they handle applications.
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    (Original post by jennipenny)
    With an international development MA, I'd be looking carefully at two things - is there a convincing range of modules offered (i.e. is there really a proper specialism in development at the university or is it just a course made up of modules offered on other degrees with one core module)? And secondly, do the staff teaching it have any real connections to development organisations? If they don't then I wouldn't go near it (assuming you're doing it to try and break into a development career). Don't know where else you've applied but the development practitioners I know, seem to speak highly of the MAs on offer at Sussex, UEA, Manchester, Bradford, SOAS and LSE (although that's a much more theoretical course). It might be worth comparing what those places offer with what Northumbria is offering to get an idea of the relative quality. I'd worry more about the issue of how good the course is than how they handle applications.
    Thanks for the info. Btw I applied to Birmingham, Bath, Leeds and UEA (didn't get in. sooo disappointed. I think it's definitely one of the best.) still waiting on the others.
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    Durham offered me a place nine days after I applied and Manchester and Newcastle both replied within two weeks and they're all good universities. However, I still haven't heard from Nottingham although the other three universities are considered to be more prestigious. I really wouldn't worry about it. Good luck with your applications!
 
 
 
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