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    This is probably not going to be a popular opinion on a student board but the world does not begin and end with students. Yes, Clegg made the mistake of promising something that was never going to be possible and then inevitably broke that promise, and he should face the consequences. However, we have to be realistic about the situation Clegg was in. Had he chosen to side with Labour he would have been completely lynched for it; siding with the Tories meant that he would have to compromise on some of his key policies. Not siding with anyone would have created a minority government that most likely would have been a disaster. Voting against the Tuition Fee increase would have made the coalition seem even weaker than it already is. The situation is not and has never been ideal but we are stuck with it. I understand the anger many people are feeling about the fact that they voted for the Lib Dems purely because of their tuition fee promise, but that is probably a promise they made in the belief that they would be in opposition to the government and under no obligation to compromise their beliefs and policies. We have bigger problems in this country than student tuition fees and it's about time we all started acting like part of British society instead of existing in a student bubble. Feel angry and exercise your right to protest but don't forget that we have a lot of pressing issues to face as a country and hating Nick Clegg is not going to change that.

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    £10 says he cries to Bright Eyes and Dashboard Confessional.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    Apart from the fact that the lib dems did not have to enter into a coalition. They could have let the Tories form a minority government and voted yes or no on each issue.
    I would rather see a predominantly Tory government with a strong Liberal influence than a pure Tory government. If you are left-leaning, which I assume you are, and disagree then there is no use in arguing - you are irrationally partisan.
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    (Original post by JW92)
    I would rather see a predominantly Tory government with a strong Liberal influence than a pure Tory government. If you are left-leaning, which I assume you are, and disagree then there is no use in arguing - you are irrationally partisan.
    I agree with you.
    But my point is that going into coalition with the Tories wasn't the lib dems only option.
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    Right, I admit it. David Cameron was right all along. Nick Clegg really is the biggest joke in British politics, isn’t he?
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    couldnt help myself
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    (Original post by Emmie3303)
    This is probably not going to be a popular opinion on a student board but the world does not begin and end with students. Yes, Clegg made the mistake of promising something that was never going to be possible and then inevitably broke that promise, and he should face the consequences. However, we have to be realistic about the situation Clegg was in. Had he chosen to side with Labour he would have been completely lynched for it; siding with the Tories meant that he would have to compromise on some of his key policies. Not siding with anyone would have created a minority government that most likely would have been a disaster. Voting against the Tuition Fee increase would have made the coalition seem even weaker than it already is. The situation is not and has never been ideal but we are stuck with it. I understand the anger many people are feeling about the fact that they voted for the Lib Dems purely because of their tuition fee promise, but that is probably a promise they made in the belief that they would be in opposition to the government and under no obligation to compromise their beliefs and policies. We have bigger problems in this country than student tuition fees and it's about time we all started acting like part of British society instead of existing in a student bubble. Feel angry and exercise your right to protest but don't forget that we have a lot of pressing issues to face as a country and hating Nick Clegg is not going to change that.

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    (Original post by PerigeeApogee)
    I'd rather have a minority Tory government that fails in a short period, followed by another hung parliament, another failed minority government, etc, and a continued loop of that until politicians realise that we're not really interested in any of them, none of them represent us, and we want a whole new political world in Britain.
    Do we really want that? I think to an extent the scramble for the centre-ground of British politics is indicative of a broad consensus that free markets are a good idea and so is a good welfare state. This consensus is reflected in a lot of other comparable countries. If socialism still won votes, Labour wouldn't have become New Labour and the the last decade has seen the Tories tone down their old social conservatism in an effort to become more electable.
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    He did it for teh lulz, THE LULZ I TELL YOU
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    (Original post by Hopple)
    If he doesn't feel he can answer to his children, then why on earth is he doing what he's doing?
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    I told nick clegg I loved him once BEFORE he turned into a complete sell out. He visited northampton and waved to me goodbye </3 I have now completely taken that back now!
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    I can't believe that you people fell for him in the first place.

    Throughout his entire campaign, in particular the live televised debates, he said exactly what the public wanted to hear. His entire campaign was a tirade of 'fairness', 'equality' and generally an attack on 'bankers' (during the immediate furore of the banking crisis').. It was clear he would say, and therefore do, anything to get into power..

    I have always hated that contemptible little man.
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    Not a punchbag, definitely a douchebag.
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    (Original post by Bunkd)
    I can't believe that you people fell for him in the first place.

    Throughout his entire campaign, in particular the live televised debates, he said exactly what the public wanted to hear. His entire campaign was a tirade of 'fairness', 'equality' and generally an attack on 'bankers' (during the immediate furore of the banking crisis').. It was clear he would say, and therefore do, anything to get into power..

    I have always hated that contemptible little man.
    +rep to this. Anyone who fell to car salesman Nick's populist campaign deserves what they are getting.
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    "I cry regularly to music" lol why? How does music makes you cry?
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    Nick Clegg - "I am a liar!"
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    I call my dad papa you worthless *****
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    Apart from the fact that the lib dems did not have to enter into a coalition. They could have let the Tories form a minority government and voted yes or no on each issue.
    I don't really think so. A hung parliament is not really viable in that sort of economic climate. It hardly encourages confidence in the Govt and its plan, which was (and is) very important to our finances. And obviously theres no sort of guarantee the same thing wouldn't just happen again in 6 months.

    So as I see it, a liberal-conservative coalition was the only realistic option, and I have a lot of sympathy for Clegg with the flak he's got from that decision. But whether he could have got a higher 'price' for forming the Govt is a different issue entirely. Personally I don't think he did too bad, but he's sold what he acheived pretty poorly and has abandoned flagship polices (and pledges!), so i have much less sympathy there.
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    (Original post by kevin6767)
    If you check the actual wording of the pledge he signed it states "to pressure the government to introduce a fair alternative." When he made that pledge he had no idea he would be in office and actually have a say in the matter. If you go back to the October 2009 Lib Dem conference he wanted to abandon the policy of getting rid of tuition fees, but only changed his mind when it struck a nerve in the party. How exactly can a fairly minor union twist the arm of a political party leader? He signed the pledge for the same reason he was never out of Sheffield University's student union during the election; it was a vote winner. If you go back you will find that Labour were more than ready to negotiate with him but he refused because he couldn't work with Gordon Brown. Finally if you check the coalition agreement you will find that it states that all Lib Dem's, including cabinet ministers, will be permitted to abstain on any tuition fee vote yet only a few back benchers did. He had a choice.
    NUS are hardly a minor union in terms of electoral weight. Yes, he did sign it is a vote winner or, rather, in order not to lose votes. I'm not saying he should have signed the pledge. He shouldn't have but you can understand he was in a very difficult position - he's not just a callous liar jumping at any opportunity to betray his voters as he seems to be caricatured.

    I strongly contest your point that Labour were more than ready to negotiate with Clegg. Several high-profile politicians have suggested that Labour showed very little interest in coalition. I've even heard a Lib Dem peer say this in person. The numbers also didn't add up in this instance.

    I find Clegg at times disingenuous and I find the way in which he presents policy as if the Tories and Liberals were one party irksome. I commend the way in which the Liberals fought to make the new fee proposals more progressive - in some ways more progressive than the old - but it does baffle me that so many backbenchers voted for the proposals. But overall, I think Clegg has done a good job and - I really don't want to make him sound like a martyr here - he has sacrificed a lot to prop up a country and try to make Britain a fairer place in precarious times.
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