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    (Original post by Diety)
    My view is that Muslims should be able to abide by Sharia law, therefore negating the need for enforcement of its punishments if people don't want them.
    You think that Britain should allow people to be stoned to death within its borders?

    ****ing hell.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    You have to be on a wind up?

    More effective? How can a dark aged legal system developed by a bunch of deluded goat herders in the Middle East be more effective than the current English legal system?

    Madness!
    We know your support of Labour, no need for the racism. Suppose it is a labour like behaviour.

    Actually, Islam has been the basis for most legal system- as one of above users highlighted with the integration of common law or even equity and trusts.

    You do realise, that Islam is not all about stoning people- as much as you like to stereotype. I don't know about much about sharia law, even I know that isn't the be all and end all.

    In fact it has even provided a basis for a financial system. Many academics do argue that in many ways, Islam has found a balance between socialism and capitalism. You could say the UK represent many Islamic aspects.

    The UK does encourage innovation, education, scientific research, business growth etc...through capitalist means. There is also a system in place to help the poor- NHS, Benefits systems etc...through socialist means. In many way, it is like the third way.

    Many Muslims would like Muslim marriages to be recognised. Essentially when you get married, there is a UK recognition. This does not exist at the moment for Muslim. Saves a trip and money to the registry office.
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    We know your support of Labour, no need for the racism. Suppose it is a labour like behaviour.

    Actually, Islam has been the basis for most legal system- as one of above users highlighted with the integration of common law or even equity and trusts.

    You do realise, that Islam is not all about stoning people- as much as you like to stereotype. I don't know about much about sharia law, even I know that isn't the be all and end all.

    In fact it has even provided a basis for a financial system. Many academics do argue that in many ways, Islam has found a balance between socialism and capitalism. You could say the UK represent many Islamic aspects.

    The UK does encourage innovation, education, scientific research, business growth etc...through capitalist means. There is also a system in place to help the poor- NHS, Benefits systems etc...through socialist means. In many way, it is like the third way.

    Many Muslims would like Muslim marriages to be recognised. Essentially when you get married, there is a UK recognition. This does not exist at the moment for Muslim. Saves a trip and money to the registry office.
    I stopped reading there. What an utterly cheap and uneducated thing to say. It's disgraceful that people now so often casually misuse that word because it degrades actual racism.

    NB: Criticism of a political, cultural, societal or religious ideology/practises/set of beliefs is not racism.
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    (Original post by 33kerryhouse)
    I know this has been discussed before. But I wanted to know how many people believe that Shariah Law is essential part of Islamic belief
    and a better system of governance than e.g. democracy or capitalism or socialism.

    I was recently reading The Truth about Mohammad (SAW) By Robert Spencer in which he says

    "In 2001, they brought their war against the West to two great
    American cities. Next were Spain and England. In Holland,
    they butchered a filmmaker on the street. Australians got theirs
    in Bali. It's surprising it took them so long to turn to Canada.
    Let's be clear about who we mean by "they." We mean
    Islamists. Not Muslims, but Islamists.
    A Muslim is one who practices Islam, a great religion.
    An Islamist is one for whom Islam is not just a religion, but a political ideology.

    Islamists seek to establish pure Islamic societies governed
    according to the harshest interpretation of Islam. Islamism has
    apocalyptic echoes of another millennial ideology, fascism
    (think of the Thousand Year Reich). Islamism is totalitarian,
    Utopian, violent—and like fascism it is expansionist."


    So what do you think, Is Islam just about five Prayers a day and all that stuff.
    Should Islam not have a say in Polictics. And are Muslims who believe it should, 'Islamists'
    Shariah Law is illegal and should remain illegal as it breaches countless human rights acts. Plus United Kingdom uses Sectular laws that is separate from religion to give every single accused a fair trial and does not breech any form of human rights acts.
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    I apologise if I came across as offensive, The Male Melons, but you have misunderstood my point. The point I was making was that the Middle East was a very primitive place during the time Sharia was developed. That is not a criticism of the people who originate from the Middle East, as I could just as easily use medieval Europe as a reference for, say, religious/superstitious barbarity in another argument.
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    I don't personally see the problem with it being UK, as a muslim too. It's only going to be put onto the muslims, the non-muslims will never be judged via shariah law, they have their own law to follow.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    I apologise if I came across as offensive, The Male Melons, but you have misunderstood my point. The point I was making was that the Middle East was a very primitive place during the time Sharia was developed. That is not a criticism of the people who originate from the Middle East, as I could just as easily use medieval Europe as a reference for, say, religious, superstitious barbarity in another argument.
    Middle East is still is primitive today. It doesn't matter how many "burj Khalifahs" it puts up, it still is primitive and backwards. I would agree with you.
    I am not advocating Sharia law- I do think it does get a bad press, there are some good aspects of it as I highlighted.
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    (Original post by agolati)
    I don't personally see the problem with it being UK, as a muslim too. It's only going to be put onto the muslims, the non-muslims will never be judged via shariah law, they have their own law to follow.
    As mentioned previously there is sharia family courts, but can be overruled by the common law system. Are you suggesting compulsory sharia for those that are muslim, and using sharia based punishments in criminal and civil cases, (I do not believe it is respective overall but there is a great number of death penalties carried out in those countries that have a strong foundation in sharia law e.g. Iran, Saudi Arabia).
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    (Original post by 33kerryhouse)
    I know this has been discussed before. But I wanted to know how many people believe that Shariah Law is essential part of Islamic belief
    and a better system of governance than e.g. democracy or capitalism or socialism.

    I was recently reading The Truth about Mohammad (SAW) By Robert Spencer in which he says

    "In 2001, they brought their war against the West to two great
    American cities. Next were Spain and England. In Holland,
    they butchered a filmmaker on the street. Australians got theirs
    in Bali. It's surprising it took them so long to turn to Canada.
    Let's be clear about who we mean by "they." We mean
    Islamists. Not Muslims, but Islamists.
    A Muslim is one who practices Islam, a great religion.
    An Islamist is one for whom Islam is not just a religion, but a political ideology.

    Islamists seek to establish pure Islamic societies governed
    according to the harshest interpretation of Islam. Islamism has
    apocalyptic echoes of another millennial ideology, fascism
    (think of the Thousand Year Reich). Islamism is totalitarian,
    Utopian, violent—and like fascism it is expansionist."


    So what do you think, Is Islam just about five Prayers a day and all that stuff.
    Should Islam not have a say in Polictics. And are Muslims who believe it should, 'Islamists'
    Shariah law is the definition of fascism. Killing of homosexuals, adulterers, apostates, kuffar (atheists etc) and more. It is pure evil, in the name of an imaginary fairy in the sky called allah.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    You think that Britain should allow people to be stoned to death within its borders?

    ****ing hell.
    :rolleyes: That is a punishment, if you read my post, I think you will find that I don't think the punishments should be enforced
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    Britain is not a muslim country, if you want Shariah law, go live in a muslim country. Simples.

    Muslims think that this is their country, it isn't. Western people are getting arrested for having sex outside marriage in muslim countrys. If we follow their law in their country and receive their punishments, why cant they follow ours in our country?
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    Shariah Law will never be passed in the UK. It is ludicrous. It is a Western Christian country that would not support such utter nonsense.

    I don't care what the Islam extremists and the media have been trying to tell the country of a rising wave of muslims who want to change the country, it won't happen. Sorry to dissapoint all you muslims out there.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    The law can be ammended and even scrapped. Is Sharia Law better than what we have got? Better as in effective or less or more moral?

    It might not be moral but it could be effective, more effective than what we have. If it is more effective we should welcome Sharia Law. You have to be pragmatic about it.
    More effective in what way?
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    You have to be on a wind up?

    More effective? How can a dark aged legal system developed by a bunch of deluded goat herders in the Middle East be more effective than the current English legal system?

    Madness!

    My perspective is man made systems can never be effective. If democracy was the ideal system why do we have so many problems.

    When some one talks about Shariah.. Shariah is not just a system of punishing people but most of the guys here think in those terms. The truth is that majority of you guys don't know what Shariah is.

    One more thing when you talk of Iran and Saudi Arabia .. They do not have Shariah but they apply few punishments from Shariah whatever suits them when e.g. in Saudi Arabia the King himself is never chosen according to Shariah but gets the kingship due to heredity which is absolutely unislamic.

    Secondly I find it fascinating when so many guys here said that how is it possible to have Shariah in a country where majority is Non-Muslim.

    Well how is it possible that we already have democracy in countrries where majority is Muslim and there are 40 such examples..
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    (Original post by A.galloway)
    As mentioned previously there is sharia family courts, but can be overruled by the common law system. Are you suggesting compulsory sharia for those that are muslim, and using sharia based punishments in criminal and civil cases, (I do not believe it is respective overall but there is a great number of death penalties carried out in those countries that have a strong foundation in sharia law e.g. Iran, Saudi Arabia).
    Iran and Saudi Arabia - please don't call them run under the actual muslim system of sharia law, but rather their own evil dictatorship version of sharia law.
    I'm personally not too comfortable with the death penalties, but back in 7th century, they had NO government, or any jails.

    I am suggesting that muslims should only be judged on the true sharia yes. Typically, there should thus be court systems based on the types of muslim you are, i.e shia, sunni etc.

    Death penalties to the normal western mind have attached to it an extra shock factor because of the backwash created by the current political anti-islamic agenda. Jus sayin.

    Muslims obviously follow the divine command theory approach to ethics whereby God is the one who sets what's right and wrong.

    As long as secular law doesn't make us 'have' to compromise our basic values, then it's cool. I'm fine with secular law.
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    (Original post by Thomas...)
    Shariah Law will never be passed in the UK. It is ludicrous. It is a Western Christian country that would not support such utter nonsense.

    I don't care what the Islam extremists and the media have been trying to tell the country of a rising wave of muslims who want to change the country, it won't happen. Sorry to dissapoint all you muslims out there.
    Its ok, I don't want it either
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    (Original post by roachy1)
    an imaginary fairy in the sky called allah.
    :eek: I'm not even going to start on how ignorant and offensive that is :mad:
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    (Original post by Dream Weaver)
    It's not gonna happen, the Muslim population is no where near the majority. Without a majority of muslims in this country who all want it, it'll never be adopted here.
    A minority on the heavy rise - There's quite a few preachers/extremists followed who believe they should 'breed britain out'.
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    (Original post by Diety)
    Its ok, I don't want it either
    I meant to add extremeist muslims. Sorry if it caused any offence.
    Just out of interest, how is Shariah Law viewed outside of Islam countires by the majority of normal muslims in the UK?
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    There should be a rule of law here in the UK. With sharia law, it completely goes against that value, giving exceptions and allowances to the specific group. I believe this would be a bad form of democracy, and sharia law therefore shouldn't be applied. Laws in this country are no longer based straight from the bible, so I don't see why any elements should be based from the Koran.
 
 
 
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