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    (Original post by Ham and Cheese)
    I don't see how that is racist; the term 'racist' is used far too loosely which is why we have this political correct culture where everybody is scared to say something which might offend someone else. I would assume that it would be anyone who wasn't born in the UK (if we went back any more generations then that would breach too many human rights laws). UK prisons are full and we are spending billions to fund them; I see nothing wrong and I definitely don't see how its 'racist' to deport people who have committed a certain type of crime. I would probably say they should suggest a 'three strikes and out' policy on the basis the crime is fairly minor. The same policy is used in Switzerland but no one calls them racist because they don't give a ****.



    We have but there are still many illegal immigrants in the country. The only party that wanted to grant illegal immigrants stay in the country was the Liberal Democrats but we all know their policies went out with the bath water.



    They are stupid in some respects but clever in the sense that they have the balls to talk about the a topic which makes mainstream politicians 'um' and 'er' about which is why they are gaining support.
    last point: yes I do agree, but I can't see Britain working without immigrants :/

    Second point: I know. However we need to actually review the immigrants, and allow more skilled immigrants, as well as some unskilled as long as they DESPERATELY need help.
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    (Original post by Bubbles0ox)
    serious question:
    I've seen the BNP said they will kick out those who commit crime and are not 'originally British'
    what does that mean for me?
    I'm mixed race, mum is white British born here
    my dad is black from Barbados and wasn't born here but has lived he over 50 years

    so if i was to commit a crime what would happen to me?
    That only refers to first-generation immigrants; so no, feel free to go commit crimes a plenty.
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    (Original post by mevidek)
    last point: yes I do agree, but I can't see Britain working without immigrants :/

    Second point: I know. However we need to actually review the immigrants, and allow more skilled immigrants, as well as some unskilled as long as they DESPERATELY need help.
    If a country cannot survive without importing labour than that country is putting itself into un-necessary danger; essentially, if we can not survive with immigrants, what happens if they stop coming? What if wages fall and they decide to go to France or Germany instead, than we're f**ked. Therefore, steps must be taken to relieve our dependence on foreign labour, or thats what a sensible government would do.
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    (Original post by AlexD14)
    If a country cannot survive without importing labour than that country is putting itself into un-necessary danger; essentially, if we can not survive with immigrants, what happens if they stop coming? What if wages fall and they decide to go to France or Germany instead, than we're f**ked. Therefore, steps must be taken to relieve our dependence on foreign labour, or thats what a sensible government would do.
    yeah but what the BNP believes will not help. getting them all out at once is stupid. I do believe we should attempt to lower immigration, but never, ever, ever stop it.
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    (Original post by mevidek)
    yeah but what the BNP believes will not help. getting them all out at once is stupid. I do believe we should attempt to lower immigration, but never, ever, ever stop it.
    A bit of a mis-representation of our view, why do you think we should "never, ever stop" immigration?
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    (Original post by Dave Davidson)
    Same reason TSR Labour, tory, lib dem socialist etc all do.
    It was directed at everybody in this thread
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    (Original post by AlexD14)
    A bit of a mis-representation of our view, why do you think we should "never, ever stop" immigration?
    how the hell would the NHS function without immigrants, considering over 50% of its workers come from other countries. How the hell would our police force function? How the hell would the education system function?
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    (Original post by mevidek)
    how the hell would the NHS function without immigrants, considering over 50% of its workers come from other countries. How the hell would our police force function? How the hell would the education system function?
    With doctors trained in Britain maybe? There are not enough F1 places to cover doctors coming out of British medical schools.
    How did we function before immigration?
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    (Original post by SteveCrain)
    With doctors trained in Britain maybe? There are not enough F1 places to cover doctors coming out of British medical schools.
    How did we function before immigration?
    well the population "before" (if there ever was a "before") immigration was very small, and generally healthcare was very poor. only the rich could afford treatments, and many of which were fake, fatal, or just didn't work.
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    What are your opinions on illegal immigrants who have a child in the UK(who are deemed legal btw) ? Should the whole family be deported, when deporting the children would clearly be illegal and who's there to care for the family? Would it not be cheaper for the government to let the family stay rather than having to send the children in to social services etc..

    Also, what happens to UK born children if say their parents are from abroad. Their parents together commit a crime(ie: fraud) What then happens to the children, when they have no one else to care for them?

    Also, last time I read the BNP were offering 50K to leave the UK. That's nothing relatively, considering that's up to about 4 years of wages depending on your job
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    (Original post by Evangelica)
    I said if you didn't take passages out of context to support argument which is exactly what you just did lol. Yeah the old testament god was vengeful but bear in mind Christianity didn't exist in the old testament. The religion is based on the new testament sacrifice of Jesus out of love for all humans. Ps I'm not claiming anything over the religion - what did I claim? I'm only trying to point out its basic foundation so there's nothing to face. Don't get all het up about it lol.
    You said they were not "true" Christians - that is a claim.

    Then, again, in the post, you condescendingly try and explain the nature of the Old Testement and the New Testement in Christianity. Save the lesson. All I'm trying to explain is that you have to right to distinguish between "true" and "false" Christians.
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    (Original post by mevidek)
    well the population "before" (if there ever was a "before") immigration was very small, and generally healthcare was very poor. only the rich could afford treatments, and many of which were fake, fatal, or just didn't work.
    What dates are you talking about? The first time migrants we're recruited in any number into the NHS was when Enoch Powell took over as minister of Health in 1960. Before then it had operated well for 12 years. And as we all know, Enoch regretted his decision to...
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    QFA
    Point of Order. Yet again this thread is becoming filled with offensive and irrelevant comments. Please could you either close the thread or moderate this to ensure only relevant and sensible questions and answers take place?

    Edit: They have already been removed good job
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    (Original post by Ham and Cheese)
    Point of Order. Yet again this thread is becoming filled with offensive and irrelevant comments. Please could you either close the thread or moderate this to ensure only relevant and sensible questions and answers take place?
    Just report them as spam.
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    Ah, nationalism. My vision of the future is this: as the political pendulum continues to swing toward the East and China, Western countries will grow increasingly uncomfortable. The wealth that has 'enriched' our lives will be lost, and our worldly influence will deteriorate as China's grows. Europe and the USA will be ever more involved in Middle Eastern military conflicts, for both oil interests and last ditch attempts to assert ourselves as world powers. Terrorism is going nowhere. We will suffer terror attack after terror attack; resentment toward Islam will rise and rise. This fear of terror, coupled with 'ineffective governments' that just seem to be making our countries weak (largely the result of a rising East and declining West) will mean more and more people are likely to harbour extreme views, and support for right-wing parties will surge. Maybe it will be France, or perhapt the Netherlands, maybe even Britain; but one country will decide to outlaw Islam, and many more will follow en suite. Then the trouble will begin.

    I see no way around this. Islam and the West are grating against each other; and the rise of Asia is accelerating the economic environment required for extreme political views to begin to thrive. I think Europe is going to go through a period of totalitarianism, which may or may not be our downfall. Once the hatred of the people and government has no more Islam to blame, they will turn to some other sect of society. The totalitarian phase won't last too long, and hopefully afterwards we can revert to being a democratic and peaceful continent again. Hopefully the whole world will pull itself together; it may be necessary for our survival. The rise of the East won't go unchallenged - and that will be the USA's priority number one.

    Maybe I'm wrong about it all; but all my intuitions are telling me that humanity isn't yet ready for world peace. Political tension is mounting in an increasingly unstable world, and the inevitable outcome is conflict. This is especially so when you consider all the other threats to peace we're soon going to face, such as resource shortages and over-population.

    We should try to enjoy these times of peace and delay for as long as possible any large scale conflict or political turmoil. How sad would it be for our grandchilden to look back on us as we look back on Nazi germany?
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    (Original post by AlexD14)
    What dates are you talking about? The first time migrants we're recruited in any number into the NHS was when Enoch Powell took over as minister of Health in 1960. Before then it had operated well for 12 years. And as we all know, Enoch regretted his decision to...
    enoch was a racist. plus I'm talking about before 1948, when the NHS was formed.
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    (Original post by de_monies)
    What are your opinions on illegal immigrants who have a child in the UK(who are deemed legal btw) ? Should the whole family be deported, when deporting the children would clearly be illegal and who's there to care for the family? Would it not be cheaper for the government to let the family stay rather than having to send the children in to social services etc..

    Also, what happens to UK born children if say their parents are from abroad. Their parents together commit a crime(ie: fraud) What then happens to the children, when they have no one else to care for them?

    Also, last time I read the BNP were offering 50K to leave the UK. That's nothing relatively, considering that's up to about 4 years of wages depending on your job
    De_monies, the children would unfortunately have to go. The law would have to be amended and if the law in question come from European directive than seeing as we would withdraw from the European Union and all its echelons.

    To answer second question, if here legally, than what would happen to any other child whose parents commit a crime - go into social care.

    Lastly, if 50 grand to you is not much money than you must be from a world and a surrounding to which I am unaccustomed, therefore I must apologize if my argument relates little to your experience of this world.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Get away with your neo-Nazi claptrap.
    fascist
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    (Original post by Wednesday Bass)
    Because we clearly have no immigration control in Britain, right?
    Not much control clearly.
 
 
 
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