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when will socialists apologise for the 150 million dead in their name? watch

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    (Original post by humanrights)
    the 20th century was easily the most bloody century in history. the vast majority of the genocides and mass murders were carried out by various socialist totalitarian regimes of one sort or another.

    the socialist death toll of the 20th century stands at roughly 150 million. main break down of the genocides:


    chinese socialists- 70 million.

    russian socialists- 60 million

    national socialists- 13 million

    korean socialists- 3 million

    cambodian socialists- 3 million

    other notorious socialist genocides took place in afghanistan, vietnam, ethiopia......




    no other ideology in history has caused so much human misery. when will socialists apologise and renounce socialism for good?
    1)The 60 million figure which I take as a reference to the deaths during Stalin's rule is seen as a misquote as it also includes victims of famines and diseases that were blamed on Stalin and co's economic decisions. Whilst perhaps indirectly responsible for such deaths, I doubt one would carry such reasoning and claim that Kaiser Willhelm and his chancellor was responsible for the deaths in Hamburg in the 1890s with the cholera outbreak. The figure also ignores those killed by purges committed during other soviet leaders times.

    2) Ignoring the daft logic in blaming someone for something completely irrelevant to them bar one sliver of a connection (in which case, I guess I better take responsibility for the slave trade because I am white british and support a slightly altered system that was responsible for it), you group all the examples of socialism as if they were all the same thing. In fact the examples that you have given range in their nature. There is also a difference in advocating a mixed economy with a particular emphasis on the socialist element to help the more vulnerable echelons of society and being an outright supporter of Mao's red army or even a marxist. I dont think that Marx intended any horrific deaths and use of torture beyond the chaos that would follow capitalisms fall and so expecting someone who agrees with marx's ideas to accept responsibility for the crimes committed by Pol Pot and co is completely illogical and idiotic.
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    sorry

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4PGBSptYCI
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    .....

    Calling yourself a socialist doesn't make you a socialist anymore than calling yourself a pork pie makes you a pork pie.
    And anyway, who is supposed to apologise, and to who?
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    (Original post by mellie220)
    Nazi's were Fascist, not socialist. Nazi economics was partially based on socialism (centralisation) but it's social policy and foreign policy certainly was not!
    Socialism believes in an equal society, mass genocide of one race doesn't exactly show that.
    Also, Nazi foreign policy shows a want for an alliance with Britain (read Mein Kampf) and a hatred for communism (which is far closer to 'socialism' that Britain's system ever was).
    Does socialism have a necessary foreign policy? Could a nationalist socialist policy not simply believe in social equality and advocate public ownership within a state?
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    Well those dudes were obviously not Socialists, were they!?!?!?! Socialism is all about social equality and harmony of the proletariat, those massacres were by right-wing/authoritarian nutty dictators who were by all accounts amoral and hypocritical. :giggle:
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    I'd counter that religion is both a human ideology and the cause of far more suffering, pain and torture throughout history.
    So apparently there are at least 4 people out there who believe that either: a- religion isn't a human invented ideology or b- that it hasn't been responsible for numerous wars and millions of deaths....

    Have to question their sanity, then.
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    Oh yeah, Hiroshima and Nagasaki too, and Vietnam, when will the socialists apologise for that?

    Got any more spurious theories?
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    why do marxists try and justify the crimes of marxism?

    marxism is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity, 150 million plus dead in his name. but still, the rabid marxists justify?

    sick.
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    (Original post by humanrights)
    the 20th century was easily the most bloody century in history. the vast majority of the genocides and mass murders were carried out by various socialist totalitarian regimes of one sort or another.

    the socialist death toll of the 20th century stands at roughly 150 million. main break down of the genocides:


    chinese socialists- 70 million.

    russian socialists- 60 million

    national socialists- 13 million

    korean socialists- 3 million

    cambodian socialists- 3 million

    other notorious socialist genocides took place in afghanistan, vietnam, ethiopia......




    no other ideology in history has caused so much human misery. when will socialists apologise and renounce socialism for good?
    I'm a socialist, I'm against Genocide.

    Are you seriously asking people like me, Parties like Labour, SDLP, SPD to suddenly chirp up "Oh yeah sorry about that..."

    It's not a socialist ideal, it's irresponsible leaders.
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    You know, many would regard Britain as a Socialist country to some extent. Mass genocide is not relevant to the ideology, thus, Socialism does not need to be renounced.
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    (Original post by Straight up G)
    Are you seriously taking the piss and calling the Nazis socialists?
    stands for national socialism retard. **** socialists
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    but best to keep clear of socialism though as its track record is not to good.........
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    Just go away
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    (Original post by Hardballer)
    stands for national socialism retard. **** socialists
    Irrelevant you moron, just because it says National Socialists doesn't mean they were socialist. Their social, foreign and political policies were obviously very right wing, only their economic policies could even be placed near the tag 'socialist'. You're stupid
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    (Original post by Straight up G)
    Irrelevant you moron, just because it says National Socialists doesn't mean they were socialist. Their social, foreign and political policies were obviously very right wing, only their economic policies could even be placed near the tag 'socialist'. You're stupid
    socialist fag, would you like to share your wealth with me? probably not dumb hypocrite
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    (Original post by Hardballer)
    socialist fag, would you like to share your wealth with me? probably not dumb hypocrite
    Actually, I'm centre. Perhaps centre left, but I wouldn't vote Lib-Dems ever. I'd vote Labour. And I'm not actually rich. You can't even spew out an argument to what I said, you just said something stupid about me being rich, and surprisingly, stupid. Most rich people are actually right wing, that's why the Tories have such support in the middle classes. 'dumb hypocrite' ?
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    (Original post by Hardballer)
    stands for national socialism retard. **** socialists
    Just like the DPRK really is a democratic people's republic!
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    (Original post by Straight up G)
    Actually, I'm centre. Perhaps centre left, but I wouldn't vote Lib-Dems ever. I'd vote Labour. And I'm not actually rich. You can't even spew out an argument to what I said, you just said something stupid about me being rich, and surprisingly, stupid. Most rich people are actually right wing, that's why the Tories have such support in the middle classes. 'dumb hypocrite' ?
    you mean the upper classes?
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    anyway everybody stays poor during socialism, its not the way to a prosperous country. Only capitilism can acheive that
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    They will never apologize. Instead, they will try to convert all the world into a socialist state with organizations like the "Socialist International". In my opinion, such things should be banned just like the Nazi were, because the Nazi were nothing compared to the commies and the socialists!
 
 
 
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