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    It is my opinion that we are much to lenient on people whom commit crimes of a sexual nature; child molesters, rapists, voyeurs all seem to get off very lightly for what crimes that, if anything, show gross moral and social deformity and therefore should suffer much great punishment for they're crimes. For instance, today, I was reading a news report from the Flintshire Chronicle about a sexual pervert who had taken pictures and recorded footage of women undressing or using the toilet without there consent - it later transgressed that he also had child pornography on his computer. The sentence he received was a petty 14 months in prison with a more suitable period of time on the sex offenders register.

    My questions are:

    Should we bring back capital punishment for rapists and those who engage in sexual activity with minors?
    Should we increase the terms of incarceration given to those who download child pornography and those who stalker or film women without consent?
    Should there be a program set-up to give people who have certain "urges" to commit crime of a certain nature psychological help?

    I would personally answer yes, to all of these questions.

    The incident that I was talking about is described in more detail in the article below:
    http://www.flintshirechronicle.co.uk...1352-28487275/
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    Hmm. Interesting.

    For one, I don't think possesing material you did not make, or fund should carry such a harsh sentance. And it certainley have you treated the same as those who make it. Contreversial, but take Child Porn. If someone only downloads and looks at it, that person has not harmed anyone. If they do not distribute it and have it only for personal use? I think it should be taken from them, but they shouldn't be classed anything like the same as a predatory Paedophile. Lots of people have secret, and what would be termed by society 'perverse' desires, to live them out within the confines of your own mind, with perhaps some visual stimulant is not harmful. Just as every man that watches 'rough' porn is not a rapist, not every person that looks at Child Porn will go out and rape a child.

    But as for voyerism and crimes of that nature, I think there should be slightly harsher punishments. But mostly that person should then be open to civil suits from those recorded. The law must always be concerned with harm done / punishment ratio. I wouldn't want anyone to record me taking a piss, but equally I'm not sure that should carry the same punishmnet as stabbing someone. So, as for criminal law I think they should perhaps be put on a register and do community service. But, the law should be changed so they have little defense from civil suits for damages. Perhaps an amount should be set, say compensation of £2,500 for every time a person was recorded?
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Hmm. Interesting.

    For one, I don't think possesing material you did not make, or fund should carry such a harsh sentance. And it certainley have you treated the same as those who make it. Contreversial, but take Child Porn. If someone only downloads and looks at it, that person has not harmed anyone. If they do not distribute it and have it only for personal use? I think it should be taken from them, but they shouldn't be classed anything like the same as a predatory Paedophile. Lots of people have secret, and what would be termed by society 'perverse' desires, to live them out within the confines of your own mind, with perhaps some visual stimulant is not harmful. Just as every man that watches 'rough' porn is not a rapist, not every person that looks at Child Porn will go out and rape a child.
    However, it is not victimless. Someone still has to make the images or videos, if the punishments for posessing child porn are harsh it makes people think before trying to obtain it. In the end, generating a market where people want to view child pornography is as bad as the sick *******s that make it.
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    (Original post by moonkatt)
    However, it is not victimless. Someone still has to make the images or videos, if the punishments for posessing child porn are harsh it makes people think before trying to obtain it. In the end, generating a market where people want to view child pornography is as bad as the sick *******s that make it.
    You view them as sick. Doubtless there are people in the world who view whatever you think of as arousing sick.

    And I disagree. The vast majority of people who have Child Porn do not pay for it. So there is no monetary support for such a market. Or very little, perhaps paying for it should be a seperate crime altogether?

    No, if you argue that simply downloading something for free creates a 'market' for it, then Media Piracy is providing a 'market' for Film, Music and Games. Most people seem to think the opposite.

    And how would you respond to the point, and it is hypothetical, but say if looking at Child Porn kept 50% of would be predatory Paedophiles at home? That wouold be 50% less children abused.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    For one, I don't think possesing material you did not make, or fund should carry such a harsh sentance. And it certainley have you treated the same as those who make it. Contreversial, but take Child Porn. If someone only downloads and looks at it, that person has not harmed anyone. If they do not distribute it and have it only for personal use? I think it should be taken from them, but they shouldn't be classed anything like the same as a predatory Paedophile. Lots of people have secret, and what would be termed by society 'perverse' desires, to live them out within the confines of your own mind, with perhaps some visual stimulant is not harmful. Just as every man that watches 'rough' porn is not a rapist, not every person that looks at Child Porn will go out and rape a child.
    Your point is somewhat mute because the article doesn't refer to him as a paedophile however I do agree to an extent despite it being a controversial view (however I do no condone it anyway).
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    A paedophile who hasn't sexual abused anyone does not deserve to convicted or judged regardless if he watches child pornography.

    And I still believe that there's no rational reason as to why we should convict paedophiles what's the problem with having sex with a 14 year old or a 17 year old it's all the same thing they're both sexually mature.
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    (Original post by Stratos)
    A paedophile who hasn't sexual abused anyone does not deserve to convicted or judged regardless if he watches child pornography.

    And I still believe that there's no rational reason as to why we should convict paedophiles what's the problem with having sex with a 14 year old or a 17 year old it's all the same thing they're both sexually mature.


    lolwut.




    I love it when people talk about stuff like this without even know what a paedophile is.
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    (Original post by AlexD14)
    Should we bring back corporal punishment ?
    Ooh, kinky
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    Brutal Rapists (although I suppose rapists in general could have the same happen to them, depends on judge), Paedophiles and people that commit serious offences should be given the death penalty as in prison they cost the state far too much and it is money we can put back into the country in a positive way rather than storing criminals.

    I know that corporal punishment is more of a beating, cutting hands penises off etc but I do believe that some of these people deserve death (capital punishment) as the emotional trauma that these people could/have caused to their victims may never go away.
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    Sexual deviants need to be hanged
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    (Original post by Stratos)
    A paedophile who hasn't sexual abused anyone does not deserve to convicted or judged regardless if he watches child pornography.

    And I still believe that there's no rational reason as to why we should convict paedophiles what's the problem with having sex with a 14 year old or a 17 year old it's all the same thing they're both sexually mature.
    LOL! Pedobear detected.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jItz-uNjoZA
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Brutal Rapists (although I suppose rapists in general could have the same happen to them, depends on judge), Paedophiles and people that commit serious offences should be given the death penalty as in prison they cost the state far too much and it is money we can put back into the country in a positive way rather than storing criminals.

    I know that corporal punishment is more of a beating, cutting hands penises off etc but I do believe that some of these people deserve death (capital punishment) as the emotional trauma that these people could/have caused to their victims may never go away.
    And killing them will accomplish nothing.

    1. No lasting respite from the emotional pain will be given to the victims; crude vengeance should never be seen as part of the victim support process
    2. As the problem of paedophilia is rooted deep in the emotional psychology of an individual, it will not deter others from committing crimes, and so you may as well keep them in prison anyway.
    3. It would cost the same as keeping them alive due to the rigorous appeals process that would need to be implemented, and even with that we would still end up with the execution of wrongly convicted individuals.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Brutal Rapists (although I suppose rapists in general could have the same happen to them, depends on judge), Paedophiles and people that commit serious offences should be given the death penalty as in prison they cost the state far too much and it is money we can put back into the country in a positive way rather than storing criminals.

    I know that corporal punishment is more of a beating, cutting hands penises off etc but I do believe that some of these people deserve death (capital punishment) as the emotional trauma that these people could/have caused to their victims may never go away.
    What if a man rapes 1 girl who is, let's say 10.

    But he is a great doctor or surgeon that's saved 1000 lives?

    Now what if another man has looked at pictures of that event, but is a perfect husband and father, and has contributed to society for his entire life? Does he deserve death because he looked at a picture?
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    What if a man rapes 1 girl who is, let's say 10.

    But he is a great doctor or surgeon that's saved 1000 lives?

    Now what if another man has looked at pictures of that event, but is a perfect husband and father, and has contributed to society for his entire life? Does he deserve death because he looked at a picture?
    In my book Paedophiles are Paedophiles so they all fall under the same category and should get equal punishment.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    What if a man rapes 1 girl who is, let's say 10.

    But he is a great doctor or surgeon that's saved 1000 lives?

    Now what if another man has looked at pictures of that event, but is a perfect husband and father, and has contributed to society for his entire life? Does he deserve death because he looked at a picture?
    A: Should be put in prison for most of his life, with his job and pension lost.
    B: Should be fined and put in prison for a month.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    In my book Paedophiles are Paedophiles so they all fall under the same category and should get equal punishment.
    Then you're an idiot.

    There is a massive difference between Predatory Paedophiles and non-Predatory Paedophiles.

    If you're not into making distinctions why not lock up everyman that watches 'rough' porn for being a rapist?
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    In my book Paedophiles are Paedophiles so they all fall under the same category and should get equal punishment.
    Judicial absolutism :facepalm:
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Then you're an idiot.

    There is a massive difference between Predatory Paedophiles and non-Predatory Paedophiles.

    If you're not into making distinctions why not lock up everyman that watches 'rough' porn for being a rapist?
    Porn that is filmed by two (or however many are involved) consenting adults (18+) is not the same as being a Paedophile or Raping (non-consensual) someone.

    Edit: I'm not an idiot, I just hate Paedophiles!
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    (Original post by MathematicsKiller)
    A: Should be put in prison for most of his life, with his job and pension lost.
    B: Should be fined and put in prison for a month.
    Hmm, I agree with a fine perhaps. But I'd say a system more like the one we currently have with drugs would be more productive. Overt fines and shaming doesn't stop the problem, it just drives it deeper and deeper underground. Why not treat people who have a few images the same way you'd treat a Crack addict? Only treat any subsidiary crimes whilst using them to get to the creators and/or distributors of the material? After all, that would be far more effective if your true desire was to stop people who actually harm children, rather than persecuting those with different sexual desires to you.
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    (Original post by simon1992)
    Sexual deviants need to be hanged
    Thats a bit extreme. Many people who go to clubs such as Torture Garden in London would described themselves as 'sexual deviants'. Their sexual desires deviate from 'the norm' but are not usually illegal in nature nor involve anyone other than consenting adults.

    Perhaps a rethink on what is included under the catch all 'sexual deviants' eh? The words 'non-consensual' are quite important.
 
 
 
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