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    I was just wondering if theres any difference between old polytechnics, i.e, Metropolitan universities and the new universities, and the 'original' universities i.e. Manchester, Sheffield, Hull etc? A few members of my family are sort of 'against' mets and new unis and it's confusing me! Would be really appreciative of any help here Thanks!
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    The older unis are generally seen as more prestigious, with more history and traditions. There's very much a belief that older unis are better and polytechs are bad, but if you prefer a newer uni then that's your choice. You're the one going to uni, not your parents
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    (Original post by SpecialApple)
    Hey
    I was just wondering if theres any difference between old polytechnics, i.e, Metropolitan universities and the new universities, and the 'original' universities i.e. Manchester, Sheffield, Hull etc? A few members of my family are sort of 'against' mets and new unis and it's confusing me! Would be really appreciative of any help here Thanks!
    My wife has attended all three types of university you mention during her undergrad/postgrad/doctorate studies and they all have their good and bad points.

    The quality of the individual courses the various universities offer should be the over-riding consideration (as that is why you want to go to university right?), not what colour the bricks are its built from or how great it will sound dropping its name when you are trying to pull.
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    Many consider the newer Unis a lower type of education. But they often do courses which you won't find at an older Uni, so it does have some advantages. But another thing which is common with the newer Unis is lower grades, which means getting into Uni with Cs and Ds, and I know a lot of people who have gone on to such places and not done much more than drink every night and do no work.

    But I must iterate... these are not my views or opinions... merely what I know others think.
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    (Original post by James1977)
    My wife has attended all three types of university you mention during her undergrad/postgrad/doctorate studies and they all have their good and bad points.

    The quality of the individual courses the various universities offer should be the over-riding consideration (as that is why you want to go to university right?), not what colour the bricks are its built from or how great it will sound dropping its name when you are trying to pull.
    Yep, But I just wanted to know if there were any real differences as I'm getting my relations' opinions essentially shoved onto me! Which new universities did your wife go to just out of interest?
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    (Original post by kat2pult)
    The older unis are generally seen as more prestigious, with more history and traditions. There's very much a belief that older unis are better and polytechs are bad, but if you prefer a newer uni then that's your choice. You're not the one going to uni, not your parents
    I know I'm not really sure which one I'd prefer to go to! I think I might go and look round both types and see which I prefer
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    (Original post by James1977)
    My wife has attended all three types of university you mention during her undergrad/postgrad/doctorate studies and they all have their good and bad points.

    The quality of the individual courses the various universities offer should be the over-riding consideration (as that is why you want to go to university right?), not what colour the bricks are its built from or how great it will sound dropping its name when you are trying to pull.
    :sexface:

    OP: *Generally speaking*, non-ex-poly universities are better than ex-polys, however many ex-polys offer some great courses too.
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    (Original post by SpecialApple)
    Yep, But I just wanted to know if there were any real differences as I'm getting my relations' opinions essentially shoved onto me! Which new universities did your wife go to just out of interest?
    Nottingham Trent.

    She has been both a Toff and an Oik in Nottingham.
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    I think it's just prestige and reputation. Often, though, traditional unis receive a lot more funding and provide better quality teaching. The employment stats are also a lot higher
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    Yes theres a difference, but the differences mainly focus on research quality not the quality of teaching (this is in part due to the fact that lecturers are appointed on their research credentials not on how good at teaching). That said better researchers are more likely to know more about their subject so should be better at teaching it (obviously in reality it does not work like that).
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    (Original post by SpecialApple)
    I know I'm not really sure which one I'd prefer to go to! I think I might go and look round both types and see which I prefer
    I'd be careful by what is attracting you to the ex-poly. As already mentioned on here, ex-polys do offer some highly-specialised vocational courses that more generalists and traditional universities do not but even then, I'd be careful.

    Sometimes it is just a matter of "repackanging and rebranding" a very ordinary course by adding a module here or there. What you will notice is that newer unis are very keen on their brand marketing for example rather than calling a degree "BSc Mathematics" they'll call it "BSc Algorithms and Complex Theory" when in effect you can be studying such specialised stuff by opting for the former and choosing the appropriate modules.

    A lot of people opt for the less prestigious unis because of the option of doing dual honours in two subjects or some other more flexible option that they can't find in a newer uni.

    At the end of the day however, you'd be missing out on a great opportunity if you opted for a much less prestigious uni just because you were sold by a some "gimmick" in the newer uni. I think this is what your relatives are trying to make you understand.

    Of course plenty of people will make fairly ridiculous statements like going to Manchester Met is almost as good as going to the Uni of Nottingham for example, especially if they have opted for the former themselves: they need to prove to themselves that they have made a good choice and not a bad one.

    If the degrees are equivalent then almost always opt for the more prestigious uni, especially if there is a big difference between their reputations. If you just opt for the less prestigious uni because their brochure looks cooler, then you're bound to regret your decision.
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    (Original post by im so academic)
    :sexface:

    OP: *Generally speaking*, non-ex-poly universities are better than ex-polys, however many ex-polys offer some great courses too.
    I have a new-found respect for you.
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    (Original post by SpecialApple)
    Hey
    I was just wondering if theres any difference between old polytechnics, i.e, Metropolitan universities and the new universities, and the 'original' universities i.e. Manchester, Sheffield, Hull etc? A few members of my family are sort of 'against' mets and new unis and it's confusing me! Would be really appreciative of any help here Thanks!
    The traditional universities tend to be more research oriented while the new universities tend to be focused on teaching and building up vocational skills.

    Furthermore, the traditional universities tend to be rated higher on the league tables.

    This is the general hierachy:

    Ancient Universities (Oxford & Cambridge)
    Red Brick Universities (e.g. Birmingham, Nottingham)
    Plate Glass Universities (ex - technical Collages) ie, Loughborough, Bath
    New Universities (ex - polytechnics) Manchester Met, Leeds Met.
    Second Wave of New universities (ex- colleges) ie, Northampton, Bath Spa

    There are some inconsistancies however, for example some New universities like Oxford brooks and Nottingham Trent are rated higher than traditional universities such as Salford or Hull. (complete university guide)
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    (Original post by street.lovin')
    Here we go again.

    OP, I think you could find lots of answers for your questions if you know how to search on TSR.

    There are os many of these kind of threads! Same sh*t everyday!
    Well I'm sorry, but I'd prefer getting the information as one and not in dribs and drabs.
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    There are differences between all universities and when it was founded, or for what purpose is not even slightly as relevant as how good it is now, and specifically, how good it is for your course.
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    (Original post by SpecialApple)
    Well I'm sorry, but I'd prefer getting the information as one and not in dribs and drabs.
    It is fine. Don't have to say sorry. It's just that recently there are so many threads like this and on TSR ex polys means ****. A lot of people on TSR are narrow minded twits who like looking down on other unis that's non traditional. Creating more and more of this threads is like making expolys seem worse even more when in reality, it is not too bad. The old polytechnics are the universities that have gained university status in 1992 which is not very long ago. It is regarded as 'new' universities and are still growing. Therefore, due to being new it is not very reputable in terms of prestige unlike traditional unis such as Durham, St. Andrews. However, many of expolys have its own strengths. You will find that Oxford Brookes is great in general, I would personally say that it is just as good as some of traditional universities. However, being in the same city to the world renowed uni like Oxford just makes them feel like a dumbass when it really is not true!Kingston, another expoly, is reputable for Art and design. Westminster is great for Architecture and so on.

    So the real difference between old polytechinics and traditional universities are the age and that the expolys are still growing and improving. Give it few more years it will improve even more.
 
 
 
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