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    (Original post by Harrifer)
    Conservatives = centre right

    BNP, NF = far right
    Right is right, my friend (and I say that as a far lefter ^.~)

    P.S. I'm a lot more politically tolerant than I come across in this post XD
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    (Original post by baldwin123)
    Yes, because the ruling classes, who do not want change, have Demonized him to such a degree that it amounts to virtual State sanctioned assasination.
    Wrong.

    He went on a campaign of hatred against Islam, and has been pretty much crucial in inciting abuse against their population in The Netherlands.

    He made the biggest load of bigoted crap ever to be put onto film format, which emphasized incorrect facts, events and views of the Islamic population. Fitna even had him banned from the UK for a while.

    And it isn't just the ruling classes, either. Holland's working and middle class form equally steadfast support against him, the only reason he's gaining any momentum is because he keeps throwing out wrong facts from the PVV, VDD and CDA message boards.

    If anything, its the Middle Class in Holland that forms his strongest support, and seen as there is no longer an "Upper class", I assume that's who you meant by "Ruling classes".

    The man's a parasite. He's bring tensions to boiling point, and playing on the Liberal attitude of Holland so he can enjoy completely free speech. Yet contradicts himself by saying Islamic members of the community shouldn't share it.
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    Why argue when we all know that the world will descend into socialism and then to communism after capitalism falls. It's whether we blow ourselves up before that, that's the question.

    Too many ism's -_-
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    (Original post by magnum.opus)
    Right is right, my friend (and I say that as a far lefter ^.~)

    P.S. I'm a lot more politically tolerant than I come across in this post XD
    So your point was what exactly?
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    (Original post by flugelr)
    A foreign invader? What about the 180,000 muslims from around the world who joined the British Army in WW2?

    I'd suggest that a lot of these people have every right to reside in the UK.
    Maybe they do but isn't that missing the point of the argument? Im talking about the lunacy of the last 10 years.
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    (Original post by Harrifer)
    So your point was what exactly?
    Really?... Keep up w/ the conversation, buddy!
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    (Original post by Harrifer)
    He's also not a Nationalist, so he isn't 'far-right'.
    Wrong. He is right-wing.

    His Party, the PVV are centerline. But they retain strong links to the VVD, and uphold many of the ideals that Pim Fortuyn. The Ex-Prime Minister of Holland tagged them as "Ultra far-right".



    They have also been described as a "New radical right", a party with a national democratic ideology.

    The PVV statements on 'Islamisation' and non-Western immigrants appear to be discriminatory and the party organisation is authoritarian rather than democratic.

    You can be sure he's Right-Wing. He is definitely a Nationalist, but he himself is of Dual-Nationality.

    Ironically, he wouldn't even be in his position if Islamic Labour MPs Ahmed Aboutaleb and Nebahat Albayrak hadn't advocated that dual-nationality citizens can become MPs.

    Funny old world for good ol' Geert. Forever against the people that got him into power. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by DH-Biker)
    Wrong.

    He went on a campaign of hatred against Islam, and has been pretty much crucial in inciting abuse against their population in The Netherlands.

    He made the biggest load of bigoted crap ever to be put onto film format, which emphasized incorrect facts, events and views of the Islamic population. Fitna even had him banned from the UK for a while.

    And it isn't just the ruling classes, either. Holland's working and middle class form equally steadfast support against him, the only reason he's gaining any momentum is because he keeps throwing out wrong facts from the PVV, VDD and CDA message boards.

    If anything, its the Middle Class in Holland that forms his strongest support, and seen as there is no longer an "Upper class", I assume that's who you meant by "Ruling classes".

    The man's a parasite. He's bring tensions to boiling point, and playing on the Liberal attitude of Holland so he can enjoy completely free speech. Yet contradicts himself by saying Islamic members of the community shouldn't share it.
    Im sure that much of what he does is rooted in outrage and anger, which means that he is not acting in a way which is easily palatable for many. He seems to believe that only the strongest of responses is going to achieve the desired result.

    When I refer to "ruling" classes, by the way, I am referring to the people who make the real decisions. ie those in charge of the flow of money. That is not necessarily the government who in many ways can be seen as a "shop front" cover, lol a little like Dion O'Bannions flower store in 1920's Chicago.
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    (Original post by The-Real-One)
    Nick Griffin did far better on Question Time than anyone probaby ever expected him to.
    Ummm no.
    He made himself look like an idiot.
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    (Original post by baldwin123)
    Im sure that much of what he does is rooted in outrage and anger, which means that he is not acting in a way which is easily palatable for many. He seems to believe that only the strongest of responses is going to achieve the desired result.
    He annoys me. Massively. The man doesn't see the damage he's doing. He's already fueled the anger within the Islamic population in Europe, and this will lead to bloodshed at some point.

    Hell, Pim Fortuyn was assassinated for his extremism. He wasn't even assassinated by a Muslim, either; and Geert takes his influence directly from this guy.
    Its not going to end well. :cool:

    When I refer to "ruling" classes, by the way, I am referring to the people who make the real decisions. ie those in charge of the flow of money. That is not necessarily the government.
    Ahh, that's what you meant. :cool:

    I apologize for snapping; the man just annoys me to the pit of my stomach. I'm half Dutch, and last time I was over at my Dad's (who lives there) I found out he supported him. So... Problems followed.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    Ummm no.
    He made himself look like an idiot.
    No, governmant man Dimbleby and that awful black woman(who thought she was intelligent because she'd read a history book) TRIED to make him look an idiot but did not. Instead they made themselves look like a pair of sneering schoolyard bullies, who probably did a better job of promoting him than he ever could.
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    (Original post by DH-Biker)
    He annoys me. Massively. The man doesn't see the damage he's doing. He's already fueled the anger within the Islamic population in Europe, and this will lead to bloodshed at some point.

    Hell, Pim Fortuyn was assassinated for his extremism. He wasn't even assassinated by a Muslim, either; and Geert takes his influence directly from this guy.
    Its not going to end well. :cool:



    Ahh, that's what you meant. :cool:

    I apologize for snapping; the man just annoys me to the pit of my stomach. I'm half Dutch, and last time I was over at my Dad's (who lives there) I found out he supported him. So... Problems followed.
    Im not Dutch and you clearly know more about the man and the politics than I do, but I was just trying to make a point.
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    (Original post by baldwin123)
    No, governmant man Dimbleby and that awful black woman(who thought she was intelligent because she'd read a history book) TRIED to make him look an idiot but did not. Instead they made themselves look like a pair of sneering schoolyard bullies, who probably did a better job of promoting him than he ever could.
    Well I disagree.
    I think he did make himself look like an idiot.
    Because he was given a chance to explain his views, we were shown how stupid some of those views are.
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    always possible
    if in doubt watch v for vendetta
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    (Original post by baldwin123)
    Im not Dutch and you clearly know more about the man and the politics than I do, but I was just trying to make a point.
    Yeah, I saw your point.

    I fail at arguing in these cases, my ability to "debate" suddenly becomes a tsunami of
    abuse with the odd snippet of evidence.
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    (Original post by DH-Biker)
    Yeah, I saw your point.

    I fail at arguing in these cases, my ability to "debate" suddenly becomes a tsunami of
    abuse with the odd snippet of evidence.
    lol, Of course...this is powerful stuff.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    Well I disagree.
    I think he did make himself look like an idiot.
    Because he was given a chance to explain his views, we were shown how stupid some of those views are.
    Ok yeah, some of his views were indeed ridiculous but I hated the way he was dealt with.
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    (Original post by baldwin123)
    Ok yeah, some of his views were indeed ridiculous but I hated the way he was dealt with.
    It was always going to be like that though.
    Question Time can get quite childish / bullying at the best of times with the mainstream parties. And then when you introduce the BNP into it ...

    To answer the OP for a minute. The problem with the far right is that:
    1 - Their views / policies are just so stupid. ("Send them Back" - despite the fact they were born in this country so have nowhere to go backto).
    2 - They always attract the violent nutters and the idiots.

    The same can also be said for the far left though.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    It was always going to be like that though.
    Question Time can get quite childish / bullying at the best of times with the mainstream parties. And then when you introduce the BNP into it ...

    To answer the OP for a minute. The problem with the far right is that:
    1 - Their views / policies are just so stupid. ("Send them Back" - despite the fact they were born in this country so have nowhere to go backto).
    2 - They always attract the violent nutters and the idiots.

    The same can also be said for the far left though.
    Yes, I mean I have no problem with anyone being different to myself. Only a moron would take that standpoint. I do believe however that there should be an immediate end to large scale immigration and that all those who have no legal basis for being here should be deported.

    Believe me, that would solve quite a lot, as the Government has no idea how many people are here at the moment, or what to do with them.
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    It's true, Jean Marie Le Pen is secretly a really lovely guy who enjoys quirky channel 4 comedies and going to the zoo.

    Oh no wait he's a ****
 
 
 
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