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    So it's that time of year when lots of people from University are coming back for a few days over the Bank Holidays and I'm meeting with a few of my old friends to catch up.

    One of them who was my best friend in high school got in touch and said we should catch up. Even though we went to the same XI Form college I kind of lost touch and apart from the odd hello in the street I haven't spoken to him since I was 16 (I'm now 20).

    We went to Starbucks in the city and just got chatting about old times, his course, University etc and then casual as anything he just drops "Oh yeah, I'm really involved with the EDL at X University these days". I'm kind of gobsmacked so I ask if he's serious, he is, he's like an organiser or something.

    I pick my bag up, say I'm going to the toilet and walk out, I don't intend to talk to him again but I'm just wondering if you'd do the same thing?
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    no. a person's views do not affect my relationship with them, though perhaps an EDL supporter wouldn't become my best of friends. people are still people and respect is due to all. I would've talked to him more and maybe try to explain why he was wrong.

    you just came across as close minded and a bit silly
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    I'd probably have talked to them about what they believe and why... and if it was clear that they were stubbornly racist, I would have left as well.


    (Original post by Triple_H)
    no. a person's views do not affect my relationship with them, though perhaps an EDL supporter wouldn't become my best of friends. people are still people and respect is due to all. I would've talked to him more and maybe try to explain why he was wrong.

    you just came across as close minded and a bit silly
    I tend to disagree. If a person is racist and openly participating in the orchestration of a group bordering on neo-Fascism, it would absolutely affect my relationship with them. Partly because many of my friends are black. Mostly, however, because it implies an absence of empathy for others, and even a strong dislike or hatred of minorities based on no good reason whatsoever, and that tells you something about how that person would treat their friends. The same would apply for somebody who was strongly homophobic or sexist.
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    I would ask what his views on Muslamic Ray Guns are.
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    In no way are all EDL members racist. The hardcore racist members really speaking don't constitute a majority. Many are just against immigration which in itself isn't racist. The real meaning of the term "racist" has been distorted through the ridiculous emphasis on political correctness.

    I'm not affiliated with the BNP/EDL or anything but some people just want a right wing alternative so turn toward the EDL and BNP.
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    I would attempt to dissuade them from their views through intellectual debate. If they are unreasonable I would cease communication for the foreseeable future.
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    (Original post by No Future)
    I would ask what his views on Muslamic Ray Guns are.
    Hahaha, /thread:

    http://images1.memegenerator.net/Ima...lamic-Ray-Guns
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    I would have a fine chat about Muslamic ray guns and how there aren't any mosques in Mecca.

    ..On a serious note I'd question his views and then never meet him again.
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    (Original post by milkytea)
    I'd probably have talked to them about what they believe and why... and if it was clear that they were stubbornly racist, I would have left as well.




    I tend to disagree. If a person is racist and openly participating in the orchestration of a group bordering on neo-Fascism, it would absolutely affect my relationship with them. Partly because many of my friends are black. Mostly, however, because it implies an absence of empathy for others, and even a strong dislike or hatred of minorities based on no good reason whatsoever, and that tells you something about how that person would treat their friends. The same would apply for somebody who was strongly homophobic or sexist.
    Hm, perhaps I didn't word it correctly. I would never be rude to a person I disagreed with. And this was very rude.
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    (Original post by Triple_H)
    no. a person's views do not affect my relationship with them, though perhaps an EDL supporter wouldn't become my best of friends. people are still people and respect is due to all. I would've talked to him more and maybe try to explain why he was wrong.

    you just came across as close minded and a bit silly
    Isn't it just as close minded to sit and tell someone their views are wrong because you don't agree with them?
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    (Original post by Trigger)
    Isn't it just as close minded to sit and tell someone their views are wrong because you don't agree with them?
    not at all. having discussions about what you believe is not at all close minded. Sure disagree but as long as you listen and understand and make a judgement on what they're saying without prejudice. That's the opposite of close minded.
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    (Original post by righteous)
    In no way are all EDL members racist. The hardcore racist members really speaking don't constitute a majority. Many are just against immigration which in itself isn't racist. The real meaning of the word racist has been distorted through the ridiculous emphasis on political correctness.

    I'm not affiliated with the BNP/EDL or anything but some people just want a right wing alternative so turn toward the EDL and BNP.
    A right-wing alternative to UKIP, LPUK, the Conservatives, the Lib Dems, New Labour, the Christian Party, English Democrats and the Christian People's Alliance?

    The major difference between the BNP/EDL and, shall we say "mainstream" right-wing parties is xenophobia and racism however thickly veiled it is.
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    (Original post by Trigger)
    Isn't it just as close minded to sit and tell someone their views are wrong because you don't agree with them?
    That's hardly in the spirit of discussion. The whole point of a debate between two friends is to find the most logical and positive conclusion, whether that contradicts the original opinions of the participants or not. Hopefully people in general will be open-minded enough to actually change their own attitudes appropriately, although perhaps in the case of an EDL member, this will be rather more difficult.


    (Original post by Triple_H)
    Hm, perhaps I didn't word it correctly. I would never be rude to a person I disagreed with. And this was very rude.
    That's fair enough, but I'm not sure I would feel particularly guilty about treating someone with such objectionable opinions with a lack of respect, tbh.
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    (Original post by Triple_H)
    no. a person's views do not affect my relationship with them, though perhaps an EDL supporter wouldn't become my best of friends. people are still people and respect is due to all. I would've talked to him more and maybe try to explain why he was wrong.

    you just came across as close minded and a bit silly
    Uh huh.
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    (Original post by Trigger)
    Uh huh.
    "why I thought he was wrong"

    sorry for your pedanticism, I just thought it'd be generally accepted racism was wrong
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    I would do the same thing as you, not because I'm brown, but it's because I wouldn't be friends with a BNP supporter either (THOUGH I APPRECIATE THEY ARE DIFFERENT ORGANISATIONS TYVM)
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    So it's that time of year when lots of people from University are coming back for a few days over the Bank Holidays and I'm meeting with a few of my old friends to catch up.

    One of them who was my best friend in high school got in touch and said we should catch up. Even though we went to the same XI Form college I kind of lost touch and apart from the odd hello in the street I haven't spoken to him since I was 16 (I'm now 20).

    We went to Starbucks in the city and just got chatting about old times, his course, University etc and then casual as anything he just drops "Oh yeah, I'm really involved with the EDL at X University these days". I'm kind of gobsmacked so I ask if he's serious, he is, he's like an organiser or something.

    I pick my bag up, say I'm going to the toilet and walk out, I don't intend to talk to him again but I'm just wondering if you'd do the same thing?
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    So it's that time of year when lots of people from University are coming back for a few days over the Bank Holidays and I'm meeting with a few of my old friends to catch up.

    One of them who was my best friend in high school got in touch and said we should catch up. Even though we went to the same XI Form college I kind of lost touch and apart from the odd hello in the street I haven't spoken to him since I was 16 (I'm now 20).

    We went to Starbucks in the city and just got chatting about old times, his course, University etc and then casual as anything he just drops "Oh yeah, I'm really involved with the EDL at X University these days". I'm kind of gobsmacked so I ask if he's serious, he is, he's like an organiser or something.

    I pick my bag up, say I'm going to the toilet and walk out, I don't intend to talk to him again but I'm just wondering if you'd do the same thing?
    i would do the same as i got many friends that the EDL is against
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    (Original post by milkytea)
    That's hardly in the spirit of discussion. The whole point of a debate between two friends is to find the most logical and positive conclusion, whether that contradicts the original opinions of the participants or not. Hopefully people in general will be open-minded enough to actually change their own attitudes appropriately, although perhaps in the case of an EDL member, this will be rather more difficult.




    That's fair enough, but I'm not sure I would feel particularly guilty about treating someone with such objectionable opinions with a lack of respect, tbh.
    ...i think you missed my point.
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    (Original post by milkytea)
    That's hardly in the spirit of discussion. The whole point of a debate between two friends is to find the most logical and positive conclusion, whether that contradicts the original opinions of the participants or not. Hopefully people in general will be open-minded enough to actually change their own attitudes appropriately, although perhaps in the case of an EDL member, this will be rather more difficult.




    That's fair enough, but I'm not sure I would feel particularly guilty about treating someone with such objectionable opinions with a lack of respect, tbh.
    I would, because when you treat a person with respect, even if you disagree, you do the side a service by not presenting your side as close minded stubborn individuals
 
 
 
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