Islamification is a good thing

Ok, but I'm not sure if you understand exactly what the implications of saying Shari'a is based 100% on the Qur'an are.

Would the superior culture not advance? Last I checked the Muslim world stopped being the forefront of anything but Human Rights Violations in around 1600 AD

Also, Western Secular countries have the highest standards of life of any other country. Far less Human Rights violations, far more freedom etc. When you look at religious states, all you see is failure and opression. I'd rather be decedant and morally bankrupt in your eyes than be a slave to some autocratic, dogmatic bull****.

So you think the only definition of a superior culture is their rate of technological advancement?

Why are people who worship Islam so hell-bent on converting everyone else? Jeez give it a break, they act like the only way to "save" our western culture is by joining a religion.

I don't think he does. He listed several other factors, such as human rights violations, standard of living, freedom and implied there are more by use of that small but important contraction etc. Did you miss those?

I said that culture is not technology, he said that a superior culture would advance more technologically. .

He didn't actually; he asked you if a superior culture would not advance

To which I replied in such a way to answer his question.

Think of it like:

Him: "Do cars have wings?"
Me: "Does that car over there have wings?"
Him: "Ah, I see, they don't."

, highly degenerate, being orientated around materialism, consumerism, alcohol, drugs, casual sex, highly dependent on the government to provide, and also suffers (in my view) from a lack of religious insight.

James82: Oh the irony, a post timestamped with a Gregorian date in English on a UK website on the internet. [notice the mention of the Gregorian dates - nothing to do with technology

Steevee: It's funny how they condemn our decadent culture, and yet are more than ready to take advantage of every advancement we bring. [remember, not all advances (e.g. the calendar system) are in areas of technology, which wasn't even mentioned].

So you think the only definition of a superior culture is their rate of technological advancement?

Let's face it, what you're arguing is simply ludicrous. Of course we were talking about technology, he even impliedly accepted the fact we were talking about technology when he responded to my post without objecting to my use of the word technology.

Not the only. But I can't see any way in which Islamic culture is superior to ours.

The only way it can possibley be said to be better is in the perfect fairy world which, shock horror doesn't exist anywhere. Every Islamic state is declared to not 'truly' be following Islam. Well, from what I can see, states that follow Islamic law, and are Islamic as apposed to secular are backward. They have constant human rights violations, corruption of the highest level and poverty of the masses.

Tell me, how do you find an Islamic society any better than ours?

If I answered this question truthfully - just as if you asked this question to any true Muslim - then we would be getting into the realms of "does God exist?" and "is the Qur'an the word of God?" and the like. So I will answer it with more worldly opinions. As I said in the OP, I believe the typical Western person's culture to be orientated around materialism, consumerism, alcohol, drugs, casual sex, highly dependent on the government to provide, and also suffers (in my view) from a lack of religious insight. I personally believe that these are negative aspects. I could attempt to back up this somewhat subjective opinion with statistical evidence, for example, possible high rates of suicides in societies with similar cultures to our own, or high rates of depression, but I understand that there are problems with these.

Well of course I disagree. For every 'degenerate' there are 3 good people in our society. But that is beside the point. Quite apart from your opinion.

How, can you in all honesty, point to any Islamic country and culture as superior to ours? Can you point to one? I certainly cannot. Every Islamic country is rife with opression, corruption and human rights violations. That is all we see under Islam as a state religion. You're 'Islamic way of life' is naught but a fairy tale. In my perfect world everything would be better to, but I have the secular insight to see that such ideals do not exist.

What contrast have you found between people’s lives in Egypt and the UK?

Egyptians were poor, suffered hardships, yet were happy. They left everything in the hands of Allah and forget their miseries when they return home. Prayers help them place their worries before their God. I noticed humility as well as intimacy in Islamic prayers.

"good people"? We are not talking about good people, this thread is about happiness and improving lives.

Here's a quote from a Muslim convert guy who I've read a lot from:

"good people"? We are not talking about good people, this thread is about happiness and improving lives.

Here's a quote from a Muslim convert guy who I've read a lot from:

If I answered this question truthfully - just as if you asked this question to any true Muslim - then we would be getting into the realms of "does God exist?" and "is the Qur'an the word of God?" and the like. So I will answer it with more worldly opinions. As I said in the OP, I believe the typical Western person's culture to be orientated around materialism, consumerism, alcohol, drugs, casual sex, highly dependent on the government to provide, and also suffers (in my view) from a lack of religious insight. I personally believe that these are negative aspects. I could attempt to back up this somewhat subjective opinion with statistical evidence, for example, possible high rates of suicides in societies with similar cultures to our own, or high rates of depression, but I understand that there are problems with these.