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    (Original post by Adorno)
    But neither UKIP, the Centre, nor the Lib ****ing Dems would ever stand at an election on those words. THAT's the issue we have with what Labour have done. You've lied to the electorate and now seek to justify it by claiming "loose coalitions". Nowt looser than a Nick Clegg turncoat.
    So they are just doing what their real life counterparts did for 13 years. No problem.

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    That was me.
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    (Original post by Wilzman)
    This Coalition is the correct course of action for all parties concerned. It guarantees a wholehearted centre-left alliance, shutting out extremists on both sides of the political spectrum, and allowing us to move forward with some very progressive policies.

    If you seek to oppose this on the basis of it being a 'Nick Clegg turncoat' Coalition, ignoring its goals completely, then good luck to you, I doubt that'll be viewed as a very mature attitude to take.
    The "extremist" you refer to in my case wrote about 95% of the Labour manifesto this term (given they nicked it from the one I wrote 100% of last term). So please don't flatter yourself.
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    I find it mildly amusing that everyone thinks we have forgotten our manifesto and ideology. I had thought that people on TSR were smarter than those in the press who constantly deride the very idea of a coalition. Shame.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    I find it mildly amusing that everyone thinks we have forgotten our manifesto and ideology. I had thought that people on TSR were smarter than those in the press who constantly deride the very idea of a coalition. Shame.
    Erm, surely the fact that the Lib Dem vote has just plummeted would give some indication to the contrary?
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    The "extremist" you refer to in my case wrote about 95% of the Labour manifesto this term (given they nicked it from the one I wrote 100% of last term). So please don't flatter yourself.
    You think I was talking about you? Now who's flattering themselves?
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    (Original post by Indievertigo)
    Erm, surely the fact that the Lib Dem vote has just plummeted would give some indication to the contrary?
    Someone's bitter :cool:
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    I find it mildly amusing that everyone thinks we have forgotten our manifesto and ideology. I had thought that people on TSR were smarter than those in the press who constantly deride the very idea of a coalition. Shame.
    In our subforum, I pressed the Socialists to vote for a coalition with Labour and I argued that they would stay true to the principles laid out in their manifesto and that they would be a true party of left-of-centre politics. Then I talk to Paddy about it and he says "we're going to be economically centrist" and I realised that in actual fact the smoke and mirrors had begun even before we learned that the coalition would be a anyone but the Tories one. That's what turned me against going into coalition with Labour and will end my attempts to drag the Socialists closer to Labour in an effort to forge a proper alliance between the two parties. That's Left-wing politics in TSR, not this coalition that has been pinned together with a prayer from Rabbit and some of Pooh's hunny.
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    (Original post by Don John)
    Someone's bitter :cool:
    Bitter about what?
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    (Original post by Wilzman)
    You think I was talking about you? Now who's flattering themselves?
    Being a centrist Lib Dem, one would have thought that by extremist you mean a Socialist... but I'm entirely prepared to be wrong on that. In fact, I'd be quite glad to be wrong.
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    (Original post by Indievertigo)
    Erm, surely the fact that the Lib Dem vote has just plummeted would give some indication to the contrary?
    ... not really, how do you make that leap?
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    (Original post by Don John)
    Someone's bitter :cool:
    Nah, prefer cider myself. :p:
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    So they are just doing what their real life counterparts did for 13 years. No problem.
    Haha. Yes, don't remind me!
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    (Original post by Indievertigo)
    Indeed, the last I heard UKIP spat the dummy out in a coalition not too long ago on the very issue of government whipping, how'd those negotiations go I wonder :tongue:
    The problems with that coalition was that there was inflexibility. This time, we have sought to learn from the lessons of that coalition and have introduced many measures to allow the parties to still present their own Bills under certain conditions and retain their own characters and ideologies. The negotiations have created a deal beneficial to everyone.
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    Bitter about what?

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    Nah, prefer cider myself. :p:
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Being a centrist Lib Dem, one would have thought that by extremist you mean a Socialist... but I'm entirely prepared to be wrong on that. In fact, I'd be quite glad to be wrong.
    I meant extremists as a generic term for people (not necessarily parties) on the extremes of the political spectrum.

    I do not consider Socialists extremists, however I might if they begin to lurch much further to the left than where they are now.
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    (Original post by Wilzman)
    I meant extremists as a generic term for people (not necessarily parties) on the extremes of the political spectrum.

    I do not consider Socialists extremists, however I might if they begin to lurch much further to the left than where they are now.
    Fair enough. It's good to check!
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    (Original post by Don John)
    Someone's bitter :cool:
    What about? :confused:

    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    ... not really, how do you make that leap?
    Well, one assumes the Lib Dem vote plummeted because they entered into a coalition with the Conservatives, which when one actually thinks about it was the right think for the country, and still is the right option for the country, but the Lib dem student supporters deserted because a coalition wasn't something they wanted. So despite the fact it meant the Lib dems getting into government, getting a lot of their policies put into practice and so on, because they also had to postpone or put aside some of their other policies, a coalition wasn't good enough hence their support catastrophically plummeted.

    So, given a lot of Lib dem supporters were students, and that the Lib dems not so long ago (before the coalition...) had a huge amount of seats, then clearly the relationship between their coalition and their drop in support on TSR is logical.

    But maybe that's just me that thinks that...
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Fair enough. It's good to check!
    I actually consider the ideal world to be socialist.
    Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world. People abuse truly social systems, rendering them weak and not fit for purpose.
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    They are in favour of UK Independence from the EU. I am in favour of changing all party names though, but that's for another day.
    I'm undecided about that one. But if a party is named after a real one then they should at least vaguely follow the ideology of that party. There is unfortunately more to UKIP than euroscepticism.

    I simply disagree.
    Why?

    I'm not sure of the usefullness of the question given that the electorate on here are aware of very little. Even if we assume they are then yes, they entrust us to make decisions we feel enable us to better work towards positive changes for them. I believe that's what we've done. You're entitled to disagree of course but this is neither here nor there for my conscience.
    As Adorno said, your manifesto implies otherwise. But if you've squared it with yourself then I suppose I can't really argue.

    I suppose we differ regarding the function of government. For me it is for them to make decisions aimed at making changes - which involved bills passing. Do you think working class Labour voters would prefer a bill giving them and extra 5 pound a week passing or one giving them 50 not passing, and never passing?
    I think we differ on the value of opposition myself, rather than on the function of government. Better to be in opposition and stick to your guns than be in government and compromise what you believe. Personally I would rather vote for a party which stood by its manifesto!
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    (Original post by Wilzman)
    I actually consider the ideal world to be socialist.
    Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world. People abuse truly social systems, rendering them weak and not fit for purpose.
    There are also economic problems, as socialist systems cause a lack of incentives for efficient production due to industrial subsidies and too high a minimum wage.

    The Indian economy is a good example - the government heavily subsidise agricultural production for crops which people don't consume, causing massive inflation for the crops/produce that people actually do want.
 
 
 
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