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    (Original post by jesusandtequila)
    We don't really need one, tbh. I only raised it because I'm hyperactive and impatient with submission of Bills - so it's nice to have a direct link with the speaker.

    I do find it impossible that we got accidental Lib Dem votes when we were below them on the ballot, mind, that and the fact that there would have been very few Lib Dem votes to steal.
    Stolen as in they hate the LDs and thus saw Liber and voted for you. I also wonder how many of your voters actually know what Libertarianism is. A vote is a vote though and people can vote for whatever reason they want
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    According to the HOC history, the Libers changed leader every September for 5 consecutive years :holmes:
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    Stolen as in they hate the LDs and thus saw Liber and voted for you. I also wonder how many of your voters actually know what Libertarianism is. A vote is a vote though and people can vote for whatever reason they want
    I'm not going to lie, the Libertarian manifesto was, in my opinion, very good and rather eye catching. I don't think they got confused with us, I just think that whatever our manifesto may have said, we're still intrinsically linked with the idea of broken tuition fee promises etc. That's not something we can change if some people don't read the manifestos completely / don't believe us.
    Plus, we probably alienated some remaining RL Lib Dem supporters.
    Rock and a hard place, that's just the way it is unfortunately.
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    Labour have had two leaders in my time in the House, same with UKIP, LibDems have had two I think - socialists have had maybe 35.
    I think it was 34 actually. :fyi:
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    (Original post by Norfolkadam)
    I think it was 34 actually. :fyi:
    You may well be right. I was estimating.
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    (Original post by Norfolkadam)
    I always feel like the Libers are the most civilised party in the HoC and then I imagine the lefties as being stricken by division. What with your constant succession of leaders and C1s :teehee:.

    Correct me if I'm wrong. :pierre:
    Well being C1 is not particularly interesting. As you know, we do not have a leader, we have a series of administrators. We have an election at least every term as well (in our guidance document), so it's not surprising that we've had lots.
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    Labour have had two leaders in my time in the House, same with UKIP, LibDems have had two I think - socialists have had maybe 35.
    c1 \neq leader of the party. And we run elections every term for a possible reshuffle.
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    (Original post by ukebert)
    Well being C1 is not particularly interesting. As you know, we do not have a leader, we have a series of administrators. We have an election at least every term as well (in our guidance document), so it's not surprising that we've had lots.
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    c1 leader of the party. And we run elections every term for a possible reshuffle.
    I always wondered what C1 was - I had assumed it was leader. Somebody must be a 'leader' though surely? Who controls your usergroup? You should post your guidance document
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    I like the "denigration of individual thought" one or somesuch :lol:
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    Stolen as in they hate the LDs and thus saw Liber and voted for you. I also wonder how many of your voters actually know what Libertarianism is. A vote is a vote though and people can vote for whatever reason they want
    6 seats isn't unusual for us though, we'd achieved in 3 of the last 4 elections, with a dip last time due to me writing a fairly poor manifesto and us being last. Yeah, it's a bit unusual being third, but all we've done is overtake the Lib Dems as a lot of their votes have transferred to Lab or Con, especially Labour since the RL election. I wouldn't be so cynical.
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    (Original post by Student2806)
    According to the HOC history, the Libers changed leader every September for 5 consecutive years :holmes:
    Indeed, I spoiled the pattern.
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    (Original post by OrangeStu)
    I always wondered what C1 was - I had assumed it was leader. Somebody must be a 'leader' though surely? Who controls your usergroup? You should post your guidance document
    Generally speaking - the Leader leads control of the usergroup entry, Bill submissions, broad-party whipping/quality control and messaging to the party. We have broken such jobs into different degrees of the commissariat. So we have a C1, dep C1, C2 and C3 who each carry out one of the tasks I have mentioned.

    I am the C1 so essentially, I administrate the admission into the Party. But it's merely a button function - I let the Party members decide, not me. The issue here is to promote a more egalitarian outlook of the party.
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    (Original post by OrangeStu)
    I always wondered what C1 was - I had assumed it was leader. Somebody must be a 'leader' though surely? Who controls your usergroup? You should post your guidance document
    Well the usergroup as Stricof says is controlled by C1. But they don't decide who gets in, the party decides, each request is posted in a thread and people can veto their entry if they want (happens rarely).

    C2 (which is the one that I haven't been) administrates our bills, so makes sure that bills and amendments are submitted on time and accurately. They might have the responsibility of making sure that everyone votes, or that might be C3, can't remember.

    C3 is definitely in charge of making sure that people behave themselves, I remember that because I was C3 when Grape was around. I didn't do a terribly good job.

    I came up with the system I recall and it has seemed to have worked quite well over the years. It breaks down the job of leader to three administrative positions and enables more people to have a direct input in how the party is run. Of course I am sure that most leaders do act as administrators, but we are the only party who specifically are run along those lines.
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    (Original post by Student2806)
    According to the HOC history, the Libers changed leader every September for 5 consecutive years :holmes:
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    (Original post by ukebert)
    Well the usergroup as Stricof says is controlled by C1. But they don't decide who gets in, the party decides, each request is posted in a thread and people can veto their entry if they want (happens rarely).

    C2 (which is the one that I haven't been) administrates our bills, so makes sure that bills and amendments are submitted on time and accurately. They might have the responsibility of making sure that everyone votes, or that might be C3, can't remember.

    C3 is definitely in charge of making sure that people behave themselves, I remember that because I was C3 when Grape was around. I didn't do a terribly good job.

    I came up with the system I recall and it has seemed to have worked quite well over the years. It breaks down the job of leader to three administrative positions and enables more people to have a direct input in how the party is run. Of course I am sure that most leaders do act as administrators, but we are the only party who specifically are run along those lines.
    How bureaucratically socialist of you.
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    The thing is that it isn't actually that bureaucratic, it works quite well. It splits the load between three and means that if one person suddenly becomes inactive for some reason then things don't fall apart.
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    (Original post by ukebert)
    The thing is that it isn't actually that bureaucratic, it works quite well. It splits the load between three and means that if one person suddenly becomes inactive for some reason then things don't fall apart.
    Which has happened :moon:
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    (Original post by ukebert)
    The thing is that it isn't actually that bureaucratic, it works quite well. It splits the load between three and means that if one person suddenly becomes inactive for some reason then things don't fall apart.
    Surely that is what you have a Deputy leader for? As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Teaddict. It's a little unnecessary really. I get my party involved in a lot of the leadership of the party where possible and that works fine.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    Surely that is what you have a Deputy leader for? As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Teaddict. It's a little unnecessary really. I get my party involved in a lot of the leadership of the party where possible and that works fine.
    Oh I'll admit that it was mainly done on ideological grounds and so that we can say that we didn't have a leader. But it works well as a system. I'm sure that you (and all good leaders) do get the entire party involved, this just makes it official.
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    Adorno, stricof and ukebert i cannot rep you again, but aye, yous lot have the right point.
 
 
 
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