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Saudis to build world's tallest skyscraper - double the size of the Burj Khalifa! watch

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    Awesome, love it!

    Every time I hear one of the gulf countries spending like crazy on an epic project, the song "We gettin' arab money" immediately starts playing back in my mind :laugh:
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    (Original post by callum9999)
    You can't wait to see people suffering? What a great person you are!

    All countries in the world spend vast amounts of money on things people don't agree with. Our nuclear weapons cost more to maintain than this, so at least they get something vaguely useful out of it.
    No, I can't wait to see obscenely rich oligarchs forced to be sensible with their money, rather than blowing it all in a one-off unsustainable burn.

    Learn your socioeconomics.
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    The building looks like a "point" and its "point"less to make it. Get it..no..:cry:
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    I am going to be a qs in that...................someday.. .............. hopefully.............. maybe.
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    (Original post by Greg.)
    I bet people are already planning to BASE jump off it.
    Don't know about you, but it was the first thing I thought of
    Surely in the event of a fire you'd be better off with a wingsuit than a fire escape...
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    Good, we can use it as target practice when World War Three starts.
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    Looks a bit like a Pen.

    Yes, I stopped at 'n'.

    :smug:
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    (Original post by Phobia27)
    Surely there's got to be a point where these are too tall and just topple over? :lolwut:


    On second thoughts, I shouldn't really have that attitude as a wannabe Engineer...
    You would think so
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    What would happen if you threw a rock off the top of this thing? It would make a 10ft deep crater upon hitting the ground
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    12 mins to reach the top by lift? I can run a mile in under 10 minutes, and I'm not electric - those lifts are crap. Imagine how many people will basejump from that thing

    I'll be impressed if they build one so high I can see it from here. It'd have to be 3.4875 miles high if I've done my sums right.
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    (Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
    Never came to mind but yh, what if a fire were to break out? large enough that it could not be handled by staff already inside
    i wonder what safety precautions there are.

    If it were to happen half way up which is way too high, then its not like any fire men can help. Use the elevator perhaps? No.
    if left untreated long enough, it could cause the rest of the floors above it to collapse due to the deminished structural integrity.
    With any skyscraper that big it is a consideration. It is pretty standard to build stairwells and lift shafts so they can be resistant to fire for quite a while, you can also do things like keep a positive air pressure in the stairwells relative to the floors (to try and stop them becoming full of smoke) and program the lifts so that in the event of a fire they immediately report to the floor right above the fire in order to take people to the ground, and carry on evacuating each in turn until they reach the top of the building. I'd rather take the lift I think - the height of the building is significantly taller than the tallest mountain in the UK, and last time I descended that my knees were stuffed at the bottom!

    As for firefighting - generally at least one lift is reserved for use by firefighters in the event of a fire, also in any tall building pipes are already installed with a big inlet at the bottom which a fire engine can be connected to, and outlets on each floor for hosepipes.

    So theoretically in the case of a standard fire, it is pretty easy to design the building to remain safe - I would be much more worried about a combined blast + fire (e.g. September 11th) event where a lot of the extra capacity put in to the structure to cope with a fire may already have been blown away before the fire itself starts. Though this does all assume it is built to Western standards and the Saudis have the infrastructure to service it properly.

    BTW - vertical transportation is an interesting issue for building designers, I suppose with a certain height of building you might get to the point where most of the space on a floor near the bottom is taken up by lift shafts to carry people to the upper floors meaning you get less and less return on those floors and they end up being sort of pointless... probably one of the reasons why a lot of skyscrapers are built to a pointy shape!
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    These bigots are now splashing cash on constructing buildings whilst killing their own people. Constructing a cemetry would be more like it.
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    Is there any point on ? Really?
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    I'm fairly certain the average Saudi would rather have a decent constitution and no corruption, or the godforsaken Pakistani slave labourers would rather have some basic human rights. Same goes for Bahrain, UAE, etc.

    These Arab states literally revolt me, they're the most unclassy, uncultured places on the planet. They think by making endless skyscrapers that shows how "cultured" and "modern" they are...whilst most of their citizens live in poverty.
    Absolutely true. They are ****holes.

    But it sure is great to live in some of these places for a short while with tons of money to blow.
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    While their people starves and the Ummah is on its knees.

    this monstrosity.

    The prophet (pbuh) said, "The hour will not be established until you see barefoot, unclothed, beginning shepherds competing in the construction of tall buildings".

    We await a new Umar Ibn Al Khattab (ra) or Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz (ra) to bring this great country out of these saudi animals.
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    It is not the best idea considering the country could use the money on better things but I suggest they build similar sized buildings next to it to make it look like a large city. One over-sized building just looks stupid amongst the dwarfling (lol) buildings around it.

    If I was playing Sim City and there was just 1 huge building in my commercial district and the rest were just lightly populated I would be annoyed as hell and spend most of the night trying to increase the land value around the place to encourage similar buildings, but that's a different story.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqJDuZIcQ34
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    Nice to see they chose this rather than spend any money sorting their Libyan friends out, right? Oh, I forgot, we (bankrupt) world police are doing that...
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    (Original post by thefish_uk)
    With any skyscraper that big it is a consideration. It is pretty standard to build stairwells and lift shafts so they can be resistant to fire for quite a while, you can also do things like keep a positive air pressure in the stairwells relative to the floors (to try and stop them becoming full of smoke) and program the lifts so that in the event of a fire they immediately report to the floor right above the fire in order to take people to the ground, and carry on evacuating each in turn until they reach the top of the building. I'd rather take the lift I think - the height of the building is significantly taller than the tallest mountain in the UK, and last time I descended that my knees were stuffed at the bottom!

    As for firefighting - generally at least one lift is reserved for use by firefighters in the event of a fire...
    Increasing resistance can only go so far, since the planned building is a mile tall, Getting firemen up will take time (i dont think it matters if the lift is fortified, its still a safety risk...then again...theyre firemen...everything they do is a safety risk), though using the lift to get people above the fire down should still be done. Reserving a lift also has a financial impact, like buying a huge box for your car to protect it from the mother of all hail stones when the weather goes bad, i dont think its financially feasible, though im no expert lol.

    you climbed everest? :O


    (Original post by thefish_uk)
    As for firefighting - generally at least one lift is reserved for use by firefighters in the event of a fire, also in any tall building pipes are already installed with a big inlet at the bottom which a fire engine can be connected to, and outlets on each floor for hosepipes.

    So theoretically in the case of a standard fire, it is pretty easy to design the building to remain safe - I would be much more worried about a combined blast + fire (e.g. September 11th) event where a lot of the extra capacity put in to the structure to cope with a fire may already have been blown away before the fire itself starts. Though this does all assume it is built to Western standards and the Saudis have the infrastructure to service it properly.
    Ive never heard of tall buildings making use of these pipes, then again what do i know, im no expert :P . I dont think buildings make use of these pipes unless it is a post sept 11 design consideration, otherwise the fire that had a significant impact back then could have been extinguished easily and quickly. Also you cant simply have a pipe go up the building as pressure makes a difference. The pressure out of the hose needs to overcome the weight of the water in the pipes while still having appropriate flow rate at the top. Pumping systems on each floor can fix this, however, i think the amount of space this will take up within each floor may be impractical.

    My guess is most of the money will go towards just making the building tall and 'purtyyy', there are probably going to be some lacking in some areas of its construction. Im wondering what is being done to combat stability. while i cant prove this, shouldnt air currents be stronger with altitude? If so, will this not be like making a nail balance on its head then slightly tapping the tip at the top? i presume some sort of deeper foundation may be used to combat this. (going back to the nail analogy, partially burying part of the nail makes it less likely to tip over)
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    I'm fairly certain the average Saudi would rather have a decent constitution and no corruption, or the godforsaken Pakistani slave labourers would rather have some basic human rights. Same goes for Bahrain, UAE, etc.

    These Arab states literally revolt me, they're the most unclassy, uncultured places on the planet. They think by making endless skyscrapers that shows how "cultured" and "modern" they are...whilst most of their citizens live in poverty.
    Previously, 10 out of 10 of your posts I would disagree with.
    Its not the case here. I couldn't agree more with you.
 
 
 
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