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Saudis to build world's tallest skyscraper - double the size of the Burj Khalifa! watch

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    (Original post by Hamesh)
    It's wrong to assume the Saudi govt is wholly bad. They're not. The Perisan gulf states have efficient welfare systems set-up to the point even water is free in some countries.
    Very true.

    We dwell on the bad... dwell and dwell.

    As Jesus said - look to take the log out of your own eye before taking the speck out of your brother's.
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    (Original post by DONTBUGME)
    You can't (physically) build a seat of learning, a centre of scholarship...

    You can build a mile high tower.
    They need education more than a tower at the moment. :p: They've got enough of skyscrapers in Makkah and Madinah

    I'd be impressed if this plot was designed by the Saudis, its just their money. :p:
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    (Original post by Hamesh)
    It's wrong to assume the Saudi govt is wholly bad. They're not. The Perisan gulf states have efficient welfare systems set-up to the point even water is free in some countries.
    That's true!
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    (Original post by -M$ [email protected])
    That's true!
    (Original post by DONTBUGME)
    Very true.

    We dwell on the bad... dwell and dwell.

    As Jesus said - look to take the log out of your own eye before taking the speck out of your brother's.
    Thanks, bros!
    Of course there are some areas, the House of Saud needs improving, namely, being more transparent. But on the whole, it's a false dilemma to assume they're either completely bad or they're either completely good, when that isn't the case.
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    Why Jeddah? Why at all...

    After living in Saudi, all that money would be bunch better spent on impoving the infrastructure or making the cities look a little prettier. Most parts of Khobar are just sand and concrete. I always wondered with all the money that they have why can't they just do it? It's not like it wouldn't take much just to make the place look a little cleaner and greener and less like this: (street to my old house)
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    All that doesn't take away from the fact that economically, building this massive tower will be a disaster
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    (Original post by Atheist Britain)
    I always laugh when people say "saudis to build.." Saudis don't build anything. I think you will find that the architects and engineers are mostly western and the workers are usually mostly South Asian
    As unfortunate as this is, it is true. The Saudis need to invest in their infastructure such as education so they can be the ones to build the towers, rather than beg international companies for their expertise. In all fairness, I wish there is an uprising in Saudi so this pathetic dictatorship can come to an end.
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    All this will serve to do is highlight the ignorance of these Saudi dictators. It is chilling that they can allow their country to suffer widespread poverty and then spend millions (perhaps billions) on these unnecessary buildings.

    Pathetic.
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    (Original post by Hamesh)
    Thanks, bros!
    Of course there are some areas, the House of Saud needs improving, namely, being more transparent. But on the whole, it's a false dilemma to assume they're either completely bad or they're either completely good, when that isn't the case.
    I'm a sister. :p:

    They should spend more on education in my opinion.
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    You don't honestly believe that this is IN ANY WAY a business decision? The Burj Khalifa makes a huge loss and is mostly empty. The Burj is next to the Dubai Maill and next to the Dubai World Trade Centre; this is twice as tall and is in a country that makes it extremely difficult to do business. There is zero chance that this Tower will come anywhere near breaking even.
    I am talking about the tower in Jeddah dude.
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    What don't them lot want to do more like!
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    (Original post by Extricated)
    All this will serve to do is highlight the ignorance of these Saudi dictators. It is chilling that they can allow their country to suffer widespread poverty and then spend millions (perhaps billions) on these unnecessary buildings.

    Pathetic.
    again i repeat
    KSA is not that reliant on oil.
    30 percent of revenues also come from Hajj and Umrah industry.
    This tower is in Jeddah 56 KM away from Mecca and they are looking to exploit the Umrah industry. Currently there are restrictions on pilgrims intending to explore KSA beyond the holy cities so it s a potential money spinner.
    To those guys who know **** about KSA butt off and ask those who actually live here.
    KSA provides a lot of welfare similar to that of England to it s local population.
    Unemployment benefits are many starting from 2000 SR per month.
    There are no taxes so all the income earned by the populace stays with them.
    Huge subsidies on electricity and water and now in the recent budget loans to buy a house have been increased. Obviously there will be unhappy folks just LIKE any other country.
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    (Original post by Arsenal4lif)
    again i repeat
    KSA is not that reliant on oil.
    30 percent of revenues also come from Hajj and Umrah industry.
    This tower is in Jeddah 56 KM away from Mecca and they are looking to exploit the Umrah industry. Currently there are restrictions on pilgrims intending to explore KSA beyond the holy cities so it s a potential money spinner.
    To those guys who know **** about KSA butt off and ask those who actually live here.
    KSA provides a lot of welfare similar to that of England to it s local population.
    Unemployment benefits are many starting from 2000 SR per month.
    There are no taxes so all the income earned by the populace stays with them.
    Huge subsidies on electricity and water and now in the recent budget loans to buy a house have been increased. Obviously there will be unhappy folks just LIKE any other country.
    Well other countries aren't wasting money on stupid buildings. It is worth noting that nowhere did I claim that Saudi's 'only' reliant factor was oil even though it clearly is the major player (holding 20% of the worlds reserves)
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    (Original post by Arsenal4lif)
    I am talking about the tower in Jeddah dude.
    I know. I am using the Burj as an example to show how such tall buildings are completely uneconomical. Frankly you are fooling yourself if you think the Kingdom Tower is going to make money.

    again i repeat
    KSA is not that reliant on oil.
    30 percent of revenues also come from Hajj and Umrah industry.
    This tower is in Jeddah 56 KM away from Mecca and they are looking to exploit the Umrah industry. Currently there are restrictions on pilgrims intending to explore KSA beyond the holy cities so it s a potential money spinner.
    To those guys who know **** about KSA butt off and ask those who actually live here.
    KSA provides a lot of welfare similar to that of England to it s local population.
    Unemployment benefits are many starting from 2000 SR per month.
    There are no taxes so all the income earned by the populace stays with them.
    Huge subsidies on electricity and water and now in the recent budget loans to buy a house have been increased. Obviously there will be unhappy folks just LIKE any other country.
    I dispute your figures. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Saudi_Arabia. Oil accounts for 45% of budget revenues, 55% of GDP and 90% of export earnings - without oil. That's enormously oil reliant. No oil would mean a 90% drop in export earnings, without that there is 90% less chance to import materials for building or to import goods.

    I'm not sure RE: unemployment beneifts of SR 2000 when 30% of Saudis earn less than SR 16000 in work: http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-...verty-1.136399.

    King Abdullah has set up an anti-poverty fund, but it doesn't change the fact that Saudi retains enormous levels of poverty. Saudi is doing good things, but its still wasting money on ridiculous projects.
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    Will it not fall over?
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    I know. I am using the Burj as an example to show how such tall buildings are completely uneconomical. Frankly you are fooling yourself if you think the Kingdom Tower is going to make money.



    I dispute your figures. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Saudi_Arabia. Oil accounts for 45% of budget revenues, 55% of GDP and 90% of export earnings - without oil. That's enormously oil reliant. No oil would mean a 90% drop in export earnings, without that there is 90% less chance to import materials for building or to import goods.

    I'm not sure RE: unemployment beneifts of SR 2000 when 30% of Saudis earn less than SR 16000 in work: http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-...verty-1.136399.

    King Abdullah has set up an anti-poverty fund, but it doesn't change the fact that Saudi retains enormous levels of poverty. Saudi is doing good things, but its still wasting money on ridiculous projects.
    http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/arti...e?comments=all

    Here u go bro
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    I know. I am using the Burj as an example to show how such tall buildings are completely uneconomical. Frankly you are fooling yourself if you think the Kingdom Tower is going to make money.



    I dispute your figures. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Saudi_Arabia. Oil accounts for 45% of budget revenues, 55% of GDP and 90% of export earnings - without oil. That's enormously oil reliant. No oil would mean a 90% drop in export earnings, without that there is 90% less chance to import materials for building or to import goods.

    I'm not sure RE: unemployment beneifts of SR 2000 when 30% of Saudis earn less than SR 16000 in work: http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-...verty-1.136399.

    King Abdullah has set up an anti-poverty fund, but it doesn't change the fact that Saudi retains enormous levels of poverty. Saudi is doing good things, but its still wasting money on ridiculous projects.
    And its a lie. Saudi Arabia never shows it's revenues. Hajj and Umrah industry is valuable around 260 billion Dollars man
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    (Original post by Atheist Britain)

    And personally speaking, I think arab culture is primitive, barabaric, backwards and generally awful
    whatever makes you sleep at night
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    You are fully aware that this was introduced to quell protests, not out of the "goodness" of the royal family's heart.

    (Original post by Arsenal4lif)
    And its a lie. Saudi Arabia never shows it's revenues. Hajj and Umrah industry is valuable around 260 billion Dollars man
    This is a bit of a contradiction, no? If the figures are not available, how do you know the value of the Hajj/Umrah industry? In any event, I'm not sure that an annual pilgrammage is a sound basis on which to build your economy...
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    (Original post by Ramox3)
    When did I say anything about Dubai? read about Masdar City in the Emirate of Abu Dhabi, this is one of the positive projects in the region that people tend to ignore..
    Masdar City is a new 6 million square metre sustainable development that uses the traditional planning principals of a walled city, together with existing technologies, to achieve a carbon neutral and zero waste community. The city is located in east-south of Abu Dhabi, beside Abu Dhabi International Airport. The city will be home to 50,000 people and 1,500 businesses, primarily commercial and manufacturing facilities specialising in environmentally-friendly products. The city will rely entirely on solar energy and other renewable energy sources, with a sustainable, zero-carbon, zero-waste ecology.
    How does zero- waste work? People still have to use things, like plastic etc.
 
 
 
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