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Original post by violenti
I have no idea why Eton is considered so " brilliant" save to say that much of it is to do with the fact it has a unique uniform! I was educated both in the state sector, and then a top public school in Dulwich College.

Academically it is no where near the best no matter what table you read. By way of example,Kings College Sshool Wimbledon, probably in terms of snob value is a "third tier "public School, yet comfortably sits in the to 3 at least in the UK, as does say tiffin Grammar not to mention others.

Remember a certain Prince got a 1 A level in Art , grade E, and he allegedly was helped considerably in that exam by a teacher, who subsequently sued the School for wrongful dismissal (successfully!) . Another Prince , soon to be married got ABC, hardly the stuff of genius. And more importantly my neighbour who harboured ideas of being a Barrister, stole a £100,000 cheque from his elderly neighbour and proceeded to bank it, resulting in a two year suspended prison sentence, followed by stealing a car whilst drunk, crashing it then fleeing the scene:followed by another suspended sentence!

It has a great rich history, and plays to it very well. However there are better more prestigious schools , which churn out top lawyers, investment bankers, medics, accountants etc.

i.e, Winchester College, Harrow College, Westminister, Charterhouse,Radley, and dare say Dulwich College, not including certain Grammar Schools.
Finally over 50% of Etonians are on some sort of financial assistance in respect of their fees. The reality is the school is over hyoed in the extreme caused by an old fashioned uniform, and members of the royal family going there. Certainly from my experience Dulwich Colege has facilities at least equal to Eton, and often much better, but is yet grounded and accepts people on MERIT only, and not class, status or connections!


Dulwich who?......
Original post by TheWorld!
You know what the ridiculous thing is, from my school you can clearly see harrow boys the distance between the two schools is that small yet the life chances of the students at both schools is so different. It’s sad really.


Cheers for the inspiration. I just imagined a big, intimidating looking fenced off school on the other side of the road of a beaten up comprehensive.

a hairs breadth
and a single spread
of land divides
children's lives
have's and have nots
brush shoulders across
the fenced off road

so please don't pretend
you'd rather send
your child to the side
of grit and grime
battered tables, books, shoes
we know that you'll choose
the fenced off road
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Eton isn't that brilliant. I'd say my school is better- we own them in the league tables. My only encounter with Eton students was when we played them at a tennis match. A group of arrogant bastards.
I find it funny that one of the perks of sending a child to Eton is apparantly so they can slime up to other children who have important parents.
I think people are missing the point here, Public schools aren't about securing the best grades - its about meeting and socializing with some senior people - (I have defiantly taken advantage of chatting to as many ex - traders and I'Bs) and also many people forget about the sport at public schools, I play cricket at a school where the wicket is considered the best in the country, the likes of Lara,W.G Grace have played on it ect..I also think that the Public schools pupil tend to be slightly better at socializing and holding with conversations people, as when I played cricket with my county there were alot of quite less affluent state schools kids - who although I am very good friends with, there ability to hold conversations is servilely lacking.......set aside that doesn't mean all people are like this.....In fact at my schools there are some people are v. awkward to be around and have absolutely nothing to say.

Also Public schools I feel are much better at helping the pupils into university, i.e the school has been prepping us for 2 years about UNI, and has pretty much helped us alot, .
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Original post by violenti
You make some very valid points. And I can certainly attest to your views about the sporting scene being a focal hub of ones education whilst at a major public school: I having run the 100 metres for England School Bouys previously

I do not feel that public school kids, do and can per se socialise better than state or grammar school children, that said a public school education can breed a certain type of confidence, and on occasion a sad and disgusting arrogance. Many of my friends attended top state schools, and grammars, and rest assured they can more than hold their own in socialising and holding conversation with eminent professionals.

My father is a Senior M.D at a bulge bracket IB, and they as do most Banks recruit on merit, and not through having met you briefly at , for example an Eton or Oxford careers fair. There are simply too many outstanding candidates outside the two I just mentioned for employers to ignore:no matter how well you network!

I do wholeheartedly agree with your point on University "coaching" for me that is the biggest difference between first and perhaps second tier public schools, and third tier public school/grammars and state schools.

I do not believe that those of us who attended top public schools are any cleverer pound for pound, however we are coached regarding Universities, subject choices, personal statements, and the"system" from as much as three years before we even apply for University.

I know my local 3rd tier public school, where I live produces outstanding A level results, yet produces a negligible amount of students attending Oxbridge, LSE,UCL,KCL, and Imperial. Whereas my school sent over half its sixth form to the above universities.


Thank you for your response, I also tend to agree with what you have said, RE. IB, they do 100% recruit on merit these days which is no bad thing at all, but just chatting to some ex - traders who are parents at the school ect, I personally find very useful as many have told me about their experiences and also how I should approach a career in banking, but at the end of the day it all comes down to myself. TBH exam grade wise, the local state school outcompetes my school academically, I think we only had a handful of students who secured Oxbridge places while the local state schools got quite a significant proportion!
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As much as I hate Eton's oblique meritocracy and it's near-satirical upper-class ethos, I would have loved to go. Anybody who worries about getting into a tricky field, like mainstream journalism or politics, will eventually find themselves envying the Eton kids. These people are the sons of the wealthy and connected, and spend their childhoods and early adulthoods building connections with future prime ministers, cabinet members, royals and so on. In short, it opens doors that most people don't even realize exist.

And not all Old Etonians are Tory pillocks. Orwell went to Eton.
Original post by violenti
I agree continue to chat toBankers and Traders, it can do you no harm, although as you correctly say it is no magic bullet to an Internship or job. Do you mind if I ask, what school you attend/attended, and if tou havent already what and where do you intend to study at University?


I go to Cheltenham College in Gloucstershire, And Uni wise - I'm looking to go to Durham, Nottingham, manchester and possibly Cass, I intend on studying Economics....What Uni are you looking at?
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Original post by thegodofgod
Personally, I think private schools like Harrow School and Eton College which charge upto £30k per year are extremely overrated - I go to a one of the top state schools in the country and I receive a fine education - one of the best in the country - and I pay nothing for that.


You don't spend 30 grand a year if you find it hard to afford it, you spend it because its that or a few holidays on the other side of the world, where you've probably been before. You just prefer that school to those holidays.
Original post by violenti
Ah all excellent Universities, my rents live in Ross on Wye ! I am already here .. Bristol its a fab uni, and City I cannot recommend it highly enough!


Oh rite, I forgot to mention Bristol....My cousin goes there too and she loves it! Great Uni from what I hear. What sort of career do you want to go into?
The name, really.

There's no doubting that it's an excellent education, but it's similar to Oxford and Cambridge in the way that the name, and everything associated with that name become so excessively over-hyped.

Oxford and Cambridge are not the best universities in the country for every subject. Eton is not the best public school in the country, however because royals, primeministers, MPs, etc etc have attended Eton and Oxbridge, it increases its reputation massively.

The teaching may not be as good as other places for certain things, but the name and associations trump all of that.
Original post by violenti
My first choice is to be a Barrister, although stastistically that is unlikely, as most of the top commercial chambers receive 1000 applicants for 2 pupillages!, and then thereafter having secured pupillage one has to get a tenancy which is equally difficult!Banks love law and economics graduates, so it is almost certainly Investment Banking for me! Also I have been able to secure an internship this summer at a medium sized IB, I am not keen on the big american bulfhe bracket banks to be honest.When are you off to Uni, next September?


Oh rite, sounds good, I am doing AS exams this summer, so I have still got about a year and half left. What sort of area in IB will you be involved in? I have managed to get some Work experience this summer at UBS which should be good.
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Original post by AldrousHuxley
You don't spend 30 grand a year if you find it hard to afford it, you spend it because its that or a few holidays on the other side of the world, where you've probably been before. You just prefer that school to those holidays.


Who the hell spends £30,000 per year on holidays?????

That's more than the bloody national average income!
Reply 73
Original post by violenti
My first choice is to be a Barrister, although stastistically that is unlikely, as most of the top commercial chambers receive 1000 applicants for 2 pupillages!, and then thereafter having secured pupillage one has to get a tenancy which is equally difficult!Banks love law and economics graduates, so it is almost certainly Investment Banking for me! Also I have been able to secure an internship this summer at a medium sized IB, I am not keen on the big american bulfhe bracket banks to be honest.When are you off to Uni, next September?


Tip: don't apply to top commerical chambers.

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