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    (Original post by Ham and Cheese)
    I think she was a good Home Secretary; her only downfall was expenses. I think her heart was in the right place but when she actually wanted to get things done she was a bit retarded.
    42 day detention without charge, ID cards and an expenses controversy.

    Great legacy to leave, right?
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    (Original post by arabcnesbit)
    Congratulations on your academic achievements, they are very impressive. There was an interesting experiment by one school, I can't remember its name, in which classes were merged and what they did was had one teacher giving the lesson and the other teachers going around the class and helping the pupils with questions. It isn't just about class and school size but about its ethos and having pupils and parents that buy into that ethos.
    School size has impact on "ethos" (congratulations for swallowing middle-class buzzwords by the way). The bigger the school the less integrate individuals are to the learning environment. You get to know teachers less well, your year group is massive, and in general things are pretty crap. Smaller schools, smaller class sizes, and better all-round school environment.

    I understand your aversion to creating a "market" of schools as we have all been conditioned by the state to think this way. If the state had provided shoes to everyone for the last 60 years and suddenly someone said "maybe education should't be under the control of the state", we would have cries of " do you only wan't the rich to be able to afford shoes". Even though I don't see many people walking around barefoot just now.
    Stereotyping, how Libertarian of you.

    It's about creating a learning environment that works for each pupil according to their wants and desires not what the state decides what those wants and desires should be.
    Oh you mean like the school I went to ...

    what would your views be on a system similar to Sweden whereby parents are given vouchers and with these they can choose whatever school they like and people are free to set up their own schools, but the state still foots the bill?
    No ****ing way. Seriously.
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    Applied for one job as a caretaker, for which I received some positive comments from the guy and will probably get an interview as I also have some relevant experience. One job as a cleaner and I had a someone I know put in a good word for me so I'm hopeful there as well.

    If all else fails I will just spend a night mugging people for their iphones and make enough for a few months rent
    Take the cleaning job! Trust me, they are absolutely fantastic. I am contracted for two hours a day, five days a week cleaning a solicitors office. It isn't hard work at all, I probably spend 30 minutes just talking to people. You work at your own pace, you usually don't work for the contracted hours as you will finish way before then...

    The place I work for is one of the worst places to work for in terms of cleaning. Most other cleaners have it way better than we do and yet I still can't really complain about it - easy.

    Some people are contracted for six hours and usually do about two or three.

    Fantastic work.

    (Original post by Ham and Cheese)
    I think she was a good Home Secretary; her only downfall was expenses. I think her heart was in the right place but when she actually wanted to get things done she was a bit retarded.
    To be honest, I don't give a crap where her heart is, the fact is she was dreadful
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    What happened with our position vis-a-vis coalitions, we didn't get much relay of information...
    I've only been told in the last 40mins - they rejected the coalition idea.

    Sorry about the relaying though. I've been extremely busy over the last week.
    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    ...

    Disclaimer: TSR Labour is not affiliated with Ham and Cheese

    :p:
    Lies.
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    (Original post by Ham and Cheese)
    I think she was a good Home Secretary; her only downfall was expenses. I think her heart was in the right place but when she actually wanted to get things done she was a bit retarded.
    Right wing. Right wing. Porn. Right wing. Right wing. Right wing. Hell even Ken Clarke does his job better and he's a Tory.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    So, how do I block someone?
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/prof...?do=ignorelist
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Consumer of education. Words cannot express how dim that notion is.
    Please rate some more members before rating this user again.

    Sucks.

    I often get into this situation with lefties, dammit!

    (Original post by arabcnesbit)
    To a socialist perhaps. But your system of education has clearly failed so lets try something different.
    Your system is worse!

    Source? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marketisatio...3153596&sr=1-1

    It outlines some rather shocking findings, for example, university students often behave as if they are purchasing a degree; that is, they expect a 2.1 despite not putting in the effort, as if they are buying the qualification.
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    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    Ha! When I worked in Kingston, the only 'employee benefit' I got was a slightly subsidised staff restaurant. Bad times.
    Oh I see well that's the only employee benefit I get but I have created my own my place of work is in Tolworth; not too far away
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    (Original post by Stricof)
    I've only been told in the last 40mins - they rejected the coalition idea.

    Sorry about the relaying though. I've been extremely busy over the last week.
    Heh, don't worry. I'm only just coming back to the real world myself. You need a deputy!
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    Take the cleaning job! Trust me, they are absolutely fantastic. I am contracted for two hours a day, five days a week cleaning a solicitors office. It isn't hard work at all, I probably spend 30 minutes just talking to people. You work at your own pace, you usually don't work for the contracted hours as you will finish way before then...

    The place I work for is one of the worst places to work for in terms of cleaning. Most other cleaners have it way better than we do and yet I still can't really complain about it - easy.

    Some people are contracted for six hours and usually do about two or three.

    Fantastic work.



    To be honest, I don't give a crap where her heart is, the fact is she was dreadful
    The other one has more hours which I need but I'm happy with either tbh.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Ta.
    Who you putting on it?
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    (Original post by Wilzman)
    42 day detention without charge, ID cards and an expenses controversy.

    Great legacy to leave, right?
    We can see her reasoning though; first day into the Home Office and there is an attempted terrorist attack in London and the following day there is that incident in Glasgow with the terrorist and the Land Rover. I can't blame her for panicking and introducing new anti-terror laws; had she not introduced them and then there was a successful terrorist attack then everyone would all look at her and say, "What the hell?! There were two incidents and you did nothing to prepare for a possible third attack."
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    I have had this debate many times, probably with Simon at least once.

    Students are still restricted to schools they can afford to commute to which can reasonably mean only one in some cases. Also, just because the parents/educational specialists or whoever set up X doesn't mean that the community as a whole want X. Even if we assume that this is the case, then what if nobody does fill the gap left by the wants of Y? What if nobody wants to?

    I also don't particularly agree that parents in many cases A) are the best people to decide what is right for their child and B) possess the knowledge to actually effect any change. Such a system would still be dominated by an elite (the educated) the difference is that there would be more flexibility to prejudice one group over another.

    Would you be ok with schools being set up with any selection procedure? What safeguards would be in place to ensure provision for the children thrown out of school, and all those with special needs? The fact is that there needs to be safeguards. In my opinion, of course.
    I would argue that with education, a subject most parents are very passionate about, if they felt their area needed a particular type of school then they would try their hardest to create it. If they had the opportunity to do so.

    The reason grammar and academies are dominated by the middle class is because these parents value education more. I know that is a generalisation and plenty of working class families encourage their kids to do their best at school and fight for every chance they can get (I come from one myself), but at the moment when you have ridiculous rules for how these places are distributed then the middle class are in a better position to "bend" these rules.

    I think schools should be able to set entrance tests and they should be allowed to exclude pupils. Surely in a free system there would be special needs schools? There would probably be schools for extremely unruly pupils too. Like the ones run by ex army people on Jerremy Kyle .
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    Who you putting on it?
    Guy from Uni. He's lovely, but I really don't want to have to interact with him any more than I do. Let's leave it there. I imagine he will find his way here.
    (Original post by Ham and Cheese)
    We can see her reasoning though; first day into the Home Office and there is an attempted terrorist attack in London and the following day there is that incident in Glasgow with the terrorist and the Land Rover. I can't blame her for panicking and introducing new anti-terror laws; had she not introduced them and then there was a successful terrorist attack then everyone would all look at her and say, "What the hell?! There were two incidents and you did nothing to prepare for a possible third attack."
    The public being idiots is, sadly, not a counter to the adage that quick legislation is usually bad legislation.
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    (Original post by paddy__power)
    Would everyone get the voucher regardless of income? If so then lol, no.
    Of course. Why not?
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Guy from Uni. He's lovely, but I really don't want to have to interact with him any more than I do. Let's leave it there. I imagine he will find his way here.The public being idiots is, sadly, not a counter to the adage that quick legislation is usually bad legislation.
    Oh ok then....
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    (Original post by arabcnesbit)
    Of course. Why not?
    Adorno said it as well as I have previously:

    (Original post by Adorno)
    Like buggery. A voucher system privileges those who have lots of choice, who can make expensive journeys back and forth to school, and live in leafy suburbs. A voucher system for the vast majority of people would bring zero change in their schooling but would mean that we subsidise people who are already very wealthy indeed to go to schools such as Eton, Harrow, Westminster, St Pauls, Cheltenham Ladies, and so forth. You flatter to deceive with a voucher system.
    The state should not pay for people to buy their children large life advantage. That money could be much better spent. I really do hate this idea with various passions.
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    (Original post by arabcnesbit)
    I would argue that with education, a subject most parents are very passionate about, if they felt their area needed a particular type of school then they would try their hardest to create it. If they had the opportunity to do so.
    Incorrect, based on and and all experience I have.

    The reason grammar and academies are dominated by the middle class is because these parents value education more. I know that is a generalisation and plenty of working class families encourage their kids to do their best at school and fight for every chance they can get (I come from one myself), but at the moment when you have ridiculous rules for how these places are distributed then the middle class are in a better position to "bend" these rules.
    How does your system in any way stop that?

    I think schools should be able to set entrance tests and they should be allowed to exclude pupils. Surely in a free system there would be special needs schools? There would probably be schools for extremely unruly pupils too. Like the ones run by ex army people on Jerremy Kyle .
    I'm not saying they wouldn't exist I'm saying how do you ensure enough exists? How do you ensure there are always enough places and that noone is left behind? I will try and find one of the debates I had on this at some point because I don't fancy having it again but I think it is buried in one of the threads somewhere :p:
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    School size has impact on "ethos" (congratulations for swallowing middle-class buzzwords by the way). The bigger the school the less integrate individuals are to the learning environment. You get to know teachers less well, your year group is massive, and in general things are pretty crap. Smaller schools, smaller class sizes, and better all-round school environment.
    I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm merely pointing out that classroom size and school size isn't the only factor involved in a good education.



    Stereotyping, how Libertarian of you.
    Harsh. Do you not think if the state has sole control of education for so long that it doesn't have an effect on the students' viewpoint?



    Oh you mean like the school I went to ...
    Why are there not more like your school though?


    No ****ing way. Seriously.
    Why not?
 
 
 
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