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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    I know right. I have no idea who she is but :sexface:
    Where did you get the picture from?
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    In fairness, opinions from the left of the Labour party are, generally speaking, idiotic. And it's not just the right that thinks that.
    I couldn't agree more.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    In fairness, opinions from the right of the Tory party are, generally speaking, idiotic. And it's not just the left that thinks that.
    Hmm well that's a reputation damager.

    But that aside, why?

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    Where did you get the picture from?
    I don't know... I just found it
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    There in lies the problem.. If it's Tory right opinion you instantly disregard it with such contempt and arrogance... I don't think you are intentionally being an arrogant swine but you certainly come across as as one.
    But it is contemptible in the same way that Socialist Worker politics is contemptible. It holds steadfastly to the Telegraph / Daily Mail line and sees those on the Left as "poke-their-nose-in" ejits. So there comes a point when you do start disregarding it.
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    (Original post by aaran-j)
    I couldn't agree more.
    HoC meet, you're getting a wedgie :cool:
    (Original post by Teaddict)
    Hmm well that's a reputation damager.

    But that aside, why?
    Oh noes! :p:

    Generally speaking much what I'm referring to comes from an idea that there is no such thing as a deserving poor person and a feeling that Britain has more important things to concentrate on. A massive generalisation on my part, but you get the idea. Moderate conservatism is great. Staunchly RW opinion is just silly.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Generally speaking much what I'm referring to comes from an idea that there is no such thing as a deserving poor person and a feeling that Britain has more important things to concentrate on. A massive generalisation on my part, but you get the idea. Moderate conservatism is great. Staunchly RW opinion is just silly.
    I want an example not a platitude.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    I want an example not a platitude.
    How about the posts that originally sparked this tangent of conversation :confused:
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    HoC meet, you're getting a wedgie :cool:
    Is that a euphemism? I've heard stories about you and previous meets.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    How about the posts that originally sparked this tangent of conversation :confused:
    I am not searching through someone elses conversation. This is a different conversation and you stated that opinions from the Tory right are, generally speaking, idiotic and that most people think that.

    Firstly, I doubt you can prove most people think that and secondly, I still want an example.
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    (Original post by aaran-j)
    Is that a euphemism? I've heard stories about you and previous meets.
    She didn't get a wedgie. I, on the other hand, got a lovebite.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    I am not searching through someone elses conversation. This is a different conversation and you stated that opinions from the Tory right are, generally speaking, idiotic and that most people think that.

    Firstly, I doubt you can prove most people think that and secondly, I still want an example.
    I think the element of the Tory right that most galls is their adherence to "traditional" values often dictated by the socially conservative elements of the Church which are completely out of step with much of the rest of society. The denial of homosexuality as anything other than a "lifestyle choice" is but one example of that.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    Firstly, I doubt you can prove most people think that
    Well of course I bloody can't, it's a subjective opinion based on a dislike of Tories :laugh:
    secondly, I still want an example.
    Fine. Look at silly debates about sovereignty that emanate from the Eurosceptics of the Tory right. Note the fact that the arguments are largely anachronistic and out of touch with reality.
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    I think the element of the Tory right that most galls is their adherence to "traditional" values often dictated by the socially conservative elements of the Church which are completely out of step with much of the rest of society. The denial of homosexuality as anything other than a "lifestyle choice" is but one example of that.
    Nothing wrong with traditional values or the Church. Although I would disagree with people on homosexuality (being a lifestyle choice), it's their right to believe what they want. There are a lot of people who believe government is actually good at doing things yet we don't condemn them :teehee:

    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Well of course I bloody can't, it's a subjective opinion based on a dislike of Tories :laugh:Fine. Look at silly debates about sovereignty that emanate from the Eurosceptics of the Tory right. Note the fact that the arguments are largely anachronistic and out of touch with reality.
    Based on your prejudices.

    How are they anarchronistic and out of touch?

    I also fail to understand the problem with supporting the concept of national/parliamentary sovereignty.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    Based on your prejudices.
    Freely admitted, but as you'll note above I do not use these as qualified academic opinion. Generalisation is key here.

    How are they anarchronistic and out of touch?

    I also fail to understand the problem with supporting the concept of national/parliamentary sovereignty.
    The two are linked. We do need to discuss these issues, but those on the extreme right who basically want a return to Britain being 'Great' (indeed, the people who think we should be called 'Great' for whatever reason) are living in the past. furthermore, in today's world, sovereignty is becoming much less relevant owing to such things as globalisation, internationalisation and supranationalisation.

    Side tangent, there's a great bit on this in first year Politics at Keele
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    Nothing wrong with traditional values or the Church. Although I would disagree with people on homosexuality (being a lifestyle choice), it's their right to believe what they want. There are a lot of people who believe government is actually good at doing things yet we don't condemn them :teehee:
    There's plenty wrong with the Church particularly since the Church of England is the official state religion and has a position in the governmental structure of the country. Traditional values are an oxymoron since they are actually constructed in reaction to perceived "liberalising" values. It's almost as if liberal values declared abortion to be evil, "traditional" values would come out in favour of abortion. It's a relative set of attitudes designed to define yourselves against the mainstream.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    The two are linked. We do need to discuss these issues, but those on the extreme right who basically want a return to Britain being 'Great' (indeed, the people who think we should be called 'Great' for whatever reason) are living in the past. furthermore, in today's world, sovereignty is becoming much less relevant owing to such things as globalisation, internationalisation and supranationalisation.
    I don't disagree, sovereignty will be weakened naturally by the evolution of politics, however, one could argue that trying to maintain sovereignty where possible is a sensible thing to do.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    I don't disagree, sovereignty will be weakened naturally by the evolution of politics, however, one could argue that trying to maintain sovereignty where possible is a sensible thing to do.
    Ah, moderate Tories. So much less rage inducing.

    Yes, one could argue that, and I would say that at present we should form supra national organisations that are, y'know, intelligently designed before surrendering all sovereignty. To resist joining Europe in a federation forever is idiocy, but to make one now out of the EU in its current form would equally be madness. Same goes for the UN.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Ah, moderate Tories. So much less rage inducing.

    Yes, one could argue that, and I would say that at present we should form supra national organisations that are, y'know, intelligently designed before surrendering all sovereignty. To resist joining Europe in a federation forever is idiocy, but to make one now out of the EU in its current form would equally be madness. Same goes for the UN.
    The UN is and always has been impotent. At the moment I am utterly opposed to any supranational organisations but that is on the basis of the European Union being inherently dreadful and counter to British interests.

    Perhaps in the future if a sensible suggestion is put forward I might change my mind but for now its unlikely.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    The UN is and always has been impotent. At the moment I am utterly opposed to any supranational organisations but that is on the basis of the European Union being inherently dreadful and counter to British interests.

    Perhaps in the future if a sensible suggestion is put forward I might change my mind but for now its unlikely.
    Supranational organisations as a principle are one of two ways forward, the other being that governments are replaced with corporations as is happening in some parts of the world. I agree that at the moment most of them are terrible.
 
 
 
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