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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    i don't think it should be privatised, it just needs massively improving
    Well, thats the thing- I might be wrong, but I doubt that cuts would improve it greatly. Because cuts don't automatically equal to a greater efficiency in services.
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    (Original post by Hey TSR)
    The Con-Dem plans for reform to the NHS demonstrate how big a crown-jewel the NHS is to the British people and something that cannot be touched.

    Margaret Thatcher learnt the hard way in the 1980s; now David Cameron is.

    The NHS, untouchable.

    Discuss.
    People in the UK don't have the fight they did in the 1980s. It is far, far easier to be a politician or big corporate these days because you can trample over the country extremely easily. Sure what the media term 'nutters' will come out for a day or two, but the politicians look, say stern words and that'll be that. Nothing changes..........
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    (Original post by Lassilsa)
    The NHS is the worst healthcare system in the western world. Our cancer survival rates are abysmal compared to the US.
    The USA spends a lot more money on its health care system.

    Cancer is a disease that is more likely to afflict those whose lifestyle choices and age range is consistent with higher income earners in the USA. People who receive a disproportionate amount of healthcare spending in their society by the virtue of being rich.

    The NHS is widely held as one of the best ran large organisations in the entire world.

    Could it match the USA system cancer survival rates if it wanted? Yes, although it would be extremely immoral for society to assign greater resources to keeping someone alive simply because of their socio-economic status.

    Thank god we're not as evil as those little *******s across the pond.
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    When I start working I wouldn't mind payig higher taxes for a better quality service, but I personally am fond of the NHS
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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    nope, i'm basing it on recently published figures, several different people, who have no connections expiriences
    Well, if theyre published do you care to share them with us?
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    (Original post by MacSci)
    Four hour's not too bad...wow. I'm sure it also doesn't take very long to see specialist physician or get surgery. Is it usually within four weeks, or longer?
    In the case of my mum, who broke her leg, she's been waiting for 4 days to have her operation. She's having it this afternoon. It would have been done the day after she broke it, but emergency cases kept on coming in (apparently, an unusual number of old ladies with broken femurs?) so she was bumped down the list.
    Still, her operation wouldn't have been performed any faster under private healthcare. We're covered by Bupa, and my dad asked last Friday if mum could be transferred to one of their hospitals. They obviously said yes, but because of all the paperwork etc. to be handed across, the earliest they'd be able to operate is Tuesday. Plus, we get £100 for every night mum stays in an NHS hospital..
    As for specialist physicians, she's already booked in to see a physio on Thursday.

    In my case when I had shin splints though, the NHS can have rather long waiting list. In the end, we had to go private and I was diagnosed with hypermobility which req'd a physio for a while.
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    (Original post by moonkatt)
    Well, if theyre published do you care to share them with us?
    no, im sorry im not sad enough to write down something every time I come across a website just in case its relevant later. I'll see if I can find them tho...
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    (Original post by TulipFields)
    Well, thats the thing- I might be wrong, but I doubt that cuts would improve it greatly. Because cuts don't automatically equal to a greater efficiency in services.
    no, but there is a huge amount of waste. Cuts won't do everything, we need less management and more doctors/nurses
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    http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/P...r_NHS_Petition

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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    no, but there is a huge amount of waste. Cuts won't do everything, we need less management and more doctors/nurses
    Cuts won't do anything. How do you think they would affect numbers of doctors and nurses?
    Obviously waste should be cut, but NHS is still an important service that should be maintained, not privatized and made available to only a certain group of people
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    Like all of the state sector it should be run as a Non-profit organisation but on the basis of a private company so cost efficiency is made. At the moment middle management costs and zero accountability of those being paid vast sums is crippling a vital public service.
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    (Original post by TulipFields)
    Cuts won't do anything. How do you think they would affect numbers of doctors and nurses?
    Obviously waste should be cut, but NHS is still an important service that should be maintained, not privatized and made available to only a certain group of people
    It shouldn't be privatised, the NHS is top heavy with management, and there aren't enough on the shop floor. Their policy currently is "If a nurse leaves, we don't replace them", yet I have seen at least 5 NHS managers jobs advertised in the local paper recently. Cut will make the NHS run responsibly, and I think that giving the GPs their own budget again is a great idea. It makes the NHS hospitals have to be accountable again.
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    (Original post by Hey TSR)
    The Con-Dem plans for reform to the NHS demonstrate how big a crown-jewel millstone round the necks of the tax payer the NHS is to the British people legions of useless managers and something that cannot be touched desperately needs fundamental reform.

    The NHS, untouchable doomed in its current form.
    The NHS is a political football, a bloated monster that is rife with corruption, incompetence and waste. By any measure, it provides a standard of healthcare that would shame a developing nation.

    The NHS is merely another example of the political "anti-Midas" effect: everything politicians touch turns into a pile of sh*t.
 
 
 
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