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    I know I'm about to sound really ignorant/stupid, but I hear these words batted around quite a bit & the most I get is socialism is good, fascism is bad, capitalism is bad but everyone thinks it's good, &communism is bad too (though the definitions i've been given of it sound pretty nice).

    I just want simple answers for what they all are & why people have opinions of them that they have.

    Sorry that I sound like an idiot, but Wikipedia wasn't really explaining it that well to me...
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    How old are you? Good or Bad, its up to you to decide, these are ideologies, there is nothing "wrong" if you think Capitalism is the way forward.

    I will leave someone else to explain to you.
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    Whilst I'm a raging capitalist, I'll try and give reasonably neutral definitions:

    Capitalism- an economic system relying on free trade, competition between businesses, and private ownership of the means of production. Little government intervention.

    Socialism- a system by which the economy is centrally planned, often by the government. The government owns the means of production on the behalf of the population as a whole. A lot of government intervention. Regards competition as wasteful.

    Make anything clearer?
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    (Original post by LawBore)
    Whilst I'm a raging capitalist, I'll try and give reasonably neutral definitions:

    Capitalism- an economic system relying on free trade, competition between businesses, and private ownership of the means of production. Little government intervention.

    Socialism- a system by which the economy is centrally planned, often by the government. The government owns the means of production on the behalf of the population as a whole. A lot of government intervention. Regards competition as wasteful.

    Make anything clearer?
    lol if she can't read it from wiki, I doubt she will understand that :rofl:
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    (Original post by LawBore)
    Whilst I'm a raging capitalist, I'll try and give reasonably neutral definitions:

    Capitalism- an economic system relying on free trade, competition between businesses, and private ownership of the means of production. Little government intervention.

    Socialism- a system by which the economy is centrally planned, often by the government. The government owns the means of production on the behalf of the population as a whole. A lot of government intervention. Regards competition as wasteful.

    Make anything clearer?
    This is good.

    However, I'm not so sure socialists would consider competition wasteful-I think most reasonable socialists will aknowledge that free markets tend to be more efficient and less wasteful. The problem is rather with interests and equality. There is a belief that without proper regulation, companies may be driven to immoral acts which deliver lower prices but at the expense of individual rights etc.

    This only accounts for the economic side of socialism/capitalism. There is also a social dimension which tend to come with these schools of thought-full on free-market capitalists tend to carry their lessez-faire principles into the social sphere, advocating less government intervention in social affairs, whilst socialists tend to advocate more.

    There is obviously a lot of crossover between the social and economic spheres.
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    The story of history tells a very clear picture. Private property is a neccessary prerequisite for civilisation, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Capitalism is the only system in which free individuals can express themselves.
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    I understand capitalism and communism-but not the other two fully...

    I agree with you that the ideas in communism sound good, but are unrealistic, someone has to enforce the ideas:

    For example, a key idea in communism is that everyone one provides for everyone else so everyone can survive-so farmers will grow food to send to the population and the population will give them seeds, machinery etc to grow more food.

    This sounds good but to send the food to the population-someone has to take it and give it out equally, this would normally be the government. This went quite wrong under Stalin in Russia for an example, it was corrupt and there wasn't enough food and it is in human nature to want more anyway and so communism wouldn't work
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    (Original post by LawBore)
    Socialism Communism- a system by which the economy is centrally planned, often by the government. The government owns the means of production on the behalf of the population as a whole. A lot of government intervention. Regards competition as wasteful.
    Fixed.

    Socialism is not an economic structure, but a philosophy and political discipline.
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    Nationalism!
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    (Original post by quinnie)
    I know I'm about to sound really ignorant/stupid, but I hear these words batted around quite a bit & the most I get is socialism is good, fascism is bad, capitalism is bad but everyone thinks it's good, &communism is bad too (though the definitions i've been given of it sound pretty nice).

    I just want simple answers for what they all are & why people have opinions of them that they have.

    Sorry that I sound like an idiot, but Wikipedia wasn't really explaining it that well to me...
    For this to be as simple as possible you need to have the following mindset when looking at ideologies: there is universal ethos outlining what is right and what is wrong.
    Assume that each ideology is right and sets out ideas suggesting on how to make those 'right' ideas a reality. Remember they are 'right' in their own view; dependant on their view on human nature.

    Don't feel bad if you didn't know that, many~ many people are usually unaware of that.

    There are so many ideologies to list and explain, so I'll just explain the ones in your title.

    Capitalism: the idea that the market - competition, businesses etc - will help the economy boom and make the state more affluent. Believers of capitalism (usually classical liberals and new right conservatives) that humans are instinctively self interested people, thus capitalism is good as it turns the human desire for competition into something that'll benefit the state.
    As you can guess they believe in 'nature' ? human conduct is precoded before birth via genetics.

    Socialism: the believe that capitalism must be abolished to achieve equality as the whole capitalist environment contaminates people and turns them rotten; they believe in 'nurture' ? the environment influences human conduct.
    So the logic here is if you remove capitalism which conditions people to look out for just themselves, people will view each other as equal and look out for one another without a modicum of selfishness.

    Communism: a perfect version of socialism, a classless society (no rich or poor people) and one without capitalism. Akin to the dream of anarchy wherein people are all equal and are regulated by natural order ? we can be fair and honest without the corruption of capitalism or the state ? rather than state imposed law.

    Be warned though, socialism is a broad ideology which encompasses communism.

    Fascism: believers of this believe humans are ruled by 'the will', generally. And they believe a supreme ruler embodies 'the will'. Thus it is fitting that one person can rule over others.


    Wikipedia is never really a good place to start when you want to start on a fresh topic, its normally good enough when you've got some background knowledge on the topic.

    I would recommend picking up a book introducing the ideologies; an 'ideologies for dummies' book would be splendid if it exists, if not there are other decent books like an introduction to political ideologies by Andrew Heywood, for example.
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    From left-to-right

    Communism: Dictatorship, with almost all control over our lives, creating a classless society, by which everyone owns everything collectively

    Socialism: Similar to Communism, but not as extreme. They believe in social equality, collective decision-making, high taxes, high spending, the distribution of income, and collective ownership

    Capitalism: Private property rights, low taxes, little state intervention, and a free trade market

    Fascism: Dictatorship, with almost all control over our lives, placing the nation state above individual rights, often with racist elements
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    (Original post by quinnie)
    I know I'm about to sound really ignorant/stupid, but I hear these words batted around quite a bit & the most I get is socialism is good, fascism is bad, capitalism is bad but everyone thinks it's good, &communism is bad too (though the definitions i've been given of it sound pretty nice).

    I just want simple answers for what they all are & why people have opinions of them that they have.

    Sorry that I sound like an idiot, but Wikipedia wasn't really explaining it that well to me...
    "There is no good or bad, only thinking makes it so"
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    (Original post by quinnie)
    I know I'm about to sound really ignorant/stupid, but I hear these words batted around quite a bit & the most I get is socialism is good, fascism is bad, capitalism is bad but everyone thinks it's good, &communism is bad too (though the definitions i've been given of it sound pretty nice).

    I just want simple answers for what they all are & why people have opinions of them that they have.

    Sorry that I sound like an idiot, but Wikipedia wasn't really explaining it that well to me...
    basically..... fascism bad, socialism bad, communism bad and capitalism bad except better than everything else

    btw i'm a supporter of capitalism
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    Nabbed this from my Economics textbook. I think it's the simplest description of the -isms I've seen:

    Socialism: You have two cows. The state takes one and gives it to someone else.
    Communism: You have two cows. The state takes both of them and gives you milk.
    Fascism: You have two cows. The state takes both of them and sells you milk.
    Nazism: You have two cows. The state takes both of them and shoots you.
    Bureaucracy: You have two cows. The state takes both of them, kills one and spills the milk in the sewer.
    Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
    Extreme Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and force the remaining cow to produce the milk of four cows. You are shocked when the cow dies.

    The book is Matt McGee's Economics- in terms of The Good, The Bad and The Economist if anyone is interested.
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    (Original post by Dogatonic)
    Nabbed this from my Economics textbook. I think it's the simplest description of the -isms I've seen:

    Socialism: You have two cows. The state takes one and gives it to someone else.
    Communism: You have two cows. The state takes both of them and gives you milk.
    Fascism: You have two cows. The state takes both of them and sells you milk.
    Nazism: You have two cows. The state takes both of them and shoots you.
    Bureaucracy: You have two cows. The state takes both of them, kills one and spills the milk in the sewer.
    Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.
    Extreme Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and force the remaining cow to produce the milk of four cows. You are shocked when the cow dies.

    The book is Matt McGee's Economics- in terms of The Good, The Bad and The Economist if anyone is interested.
    This is just an ill-informed joke from a chain email that's been circulating for years; why the hell was it in an actual economics text book? I don't want to be harsh, but this really doesn't aid understanding of any ideology.
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    (Original post by quinnie)
    I know I'm about to sound really ignorant/stupid, but I hear these words batted around quite a bit & the most I get is socialism is good, fascism is bad, capitalism is bad but everyone thinks it's good, &communism is bad too (though the definitions i've been given of it sound pretty nice).

    I just want simple answers for what they all are & why people have opinions of them that they have.

    Sorry that I sound like an idiot, but Wikipedia wasn't really explaining it that well to me...
    Don't worry about it, the terms refer to constructed theories and systems, never to concrete realities. (Countries may be labelled under these terms but there is never an individual state that is, for example, socialist through and through).

    They are of course useful to learn, but the swathe of definitions and interpretations and prejudices that exist for and against each system means that you would do better than to ask people on here; possibly some philosophical/economic textbooks might help you.

    You will learn them over time and learn what your own opinions are in the process.
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    i'm 18, which is why it makes me feel stupid, but yh, i think i've got the general idea now. thanks
 
 
 
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