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    When a woman sleeps, has sex, with another woman, although she likes men, this is perceived as sexual experimentation and no-one, it seems, has a problem with it. Who could possiby deny the creative play of sexual impulses?

    But when a man sleeps, has sex, with another men, although he likes women, this is perceived as a) a sin, b) disgusting, and c) a mental illness?

    If women are allowed to be creative, and to experiment with their sexuality, why are men not allowed to?

    Is sex solely the domain in which women are allowed creative free-play but men must adhere to strict boundaries? Is this true in the animal kingdom, of which we are a part of also?

    In the animal kingdom, we see both sexes indulge in this creative experimentation, with at some stage merely as a dress rehersal for the real sexual act, and at another where the experimentation results in a serious relationship. The animals do not share our prejudices towards sex it seems. Both sexes, male and female are allowed free sexual play which may or may not result in either sex chosing to unite in relationship with the same gender.

    Of course, in the human domain, the human-animal kingdom, our attitudes towards sex and sexual experimentation operate within boundaries in relationship towards social taboos and social ties. Those boundaries could expand and collapse depending upon variables in our own personal attitudes towards sex and sexuality.

    Although our attitudes towards sexual experimentation are changing along with our attitudes towards accepting gay and lesbian relationships, it still does seem that boundaries and taboos are current and are applied to sexual experimentation concerning men. For example, if a man sleeps with another man and does so regularly, it is found that the man is "bi-sexual" and is therefore "greedy" and is needing more sex or just any sex at all will do, but when a woman does the same and sleeps with a woman, her "bi-sexuality" is confirmed in her sexual essence, rather than in her appetite for more sex.

    We still carry with us this one rule for women and another for men. For the women, it is not so much a rule, though, as a predicate of her sexual nature. Whereas for a man his sexual nature is something that must be constrained or fettered.

    I realise that such fetters could operate with women as well, and this concerns her sexuality but only as it portrayed in art, religion and culture. It concerns the portrayal of women as wanton and as sexually voracious so that all the world's problems could be pinned on women's sexual appetite. For example, it was according to Judaeo-Christianity, that Eve betrayed Adam with the fruit, and this is interpreted as her sexuality; the fruit representing her sexual delight, or even her sexual organs. This led to Adam's downfall and consequently the downfall of the human race. Thus all 'sin' can be traced to Eve's sexual essence.

    And then there is in Christianity the role of the woman as the temptress, as the prostitute, as the social worker doing a service to men. No doubt, the prostitute played an important role in keeping the society together and keeping men from unleashing their testosterone fulled rage on the world or worse on themselves, but the belief in the degredation of female sexuality still retained its presence in culture and religion. It was not merely a Semitic perspective on women, but can be found in older cultures and religions as well, although it was not as emphatic or so much sublimated.

    In the ancient Greek world female sexuality took on a sublime role, such as in the rites of Dionysus were the cult fostered the role of women. The barbaric tendencies of the cult shocked the Athenians, and perhaps it was, afterall, thanks in part to men who tamed the cult in Athens divorcing it from its sexual barbarity and its association with sexual excess and "flesh-eating". Did man apply this sublimation to the sexual cult because of woman and her various sexual appeitite? Was this appetite anchored also to immorality?

    Is there a truth in human-animal sexuality which posits that female sexuality has a tendency to immorality? And is the acceptance now of female experimentation part of the slacking of the reigns also a forgetting of the immorality of female sexuality? We are no longer shocked by women when they experiment with other females, but we do pour moral indignation when males do it.

    So are we now, or about to, witnessing/witness an unrevelling, or a restructuring of these old cultural perspectives, and if so, what implications might it have in the future?
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    Yes, but homosexuality in general is become more and more accepted in today's society (in the Western world at least)
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    Haha, you want some fudge lovin'
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    There are so many things wrong with what you just wrote. Come back after actually reading the bible.
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    you wanna experiment with guys go for it, don't make a thread about it
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    (Original post by thegodofgod)
    Yes, but homosexuality in general is become more and more accepted in today's society (in the Western world at least)
    Unfortunately so, next it will be pedophiles.
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    (Original post by PaperSnowAGhost!)
    There are so many things wrong with what you just wrote. Come back after actually reading the bible.
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...25&version=KJV

    If you understand that, you'll realise why what you just said is stupid. The bible has more contradictions in it that a Lib Dem manifesto.
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    I, for one, have never heard (in my area here) of women getting treated differently to men (girls/guys) for their 'experimenting' or 'orientation'.. Maybe it's too general? Times are a-changing, whether people like it or not.. jsut like the English language, amongst other things.
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    (Original post by Hard.Target)
    Unfortunately so, next it will be pedophiles.
    The hell do you mean, 'unfortunately so'?
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    Here's what happens when a Gay pride is organized in my country (homosexualism isn't as near as accepted in Balkans), in fact, any type of sexual perversion is despised and looked at with disrespect and hatred.


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    I only actually read the first half of that and i already have 2 issues;

    1) men sleeping with other men is just as percieved as 'experimenting' as a woman with a woman

    2) If a man is found to be bisexual it doesnt make him any more greedy or in need of sex where anything/one will do, than a woman. Just because bisexual people fancy both sexes it doesnt mean they fancy everyone.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    When a woman sleeps, has sex, with another woman, although she likes men, this is perceived as sexual experimentation and no-one, it seems, has a problem with it. Who could possiby deny the creative play of sexual impulses?

    But when a man sleeps, has sex, with another men, although he likes women, this is perceived as a) a sin, b) disgusting, and c) a mental illness?

    If women are allowed to be creative, and to experiment with their sexuality, why are men not allowed to?

    Is sex solely the domain in which women are allowed creative free-play but men must adhere to strict boundaries? Is this true in the animal kingdom, of which we are a part of also?

    In the animal kingdom, we see both sexes indulge in this creative experimentation, with at some stage merely as a dress rehersal for the real sexual act, and at another where the experimentation results in a serious relationship. The animals do not share our prejudices towards sex it seems. Both sexes, male and female are allowed free sexual play which may or may not result in either sex chosing to unite in relationship with the same gender.

    Of course, in the human domain, the human-animal kingdom, our attitudes towards sex and sexual experimentation operate within boundaries in relationship towards social taboos and social ties. Those boundaries could expand and collapse depending upon variables in our own personal attitudes towards sex and sexuality.

    Although our attitudes towards sexual experimentation are changing along with our attitudes towards accepting gay and lesbian relationships, it still does seem that boundaries and taboos are current and are applied to sexual experimentation concerning men. For example, if a man sleeps with another man and does so regularly, it is found that the man is "bi-sexual" and is therefore "greedy" and is needing more sex or just any sex at all will do, but when a woman does the same and sleeps with a woman, her "bi-sexuality" is confirmed in her sexual essence, rather than in her appetite for more sex.

    We still carry with us this one rule for women and another for men. For the women, it is not so much a rule, though, as a predicate of her sexual nature. Whereas for a man his sexual nature is something that must be constrained or fettered.

    I realise that such fetters could operate with women as well, and this concerns her sexuality but only as it portrayed in art, religion and culture. It concerns the portrayal of women as wanton and as sexually voracious so that all the world's problems could be pinned on women's sexual appetite. For example, it was according to Judaeo-Christianity, that Eve betrayed Adam with the fruit, and this is interpreted as her sexuality; the fruit representing her sexual delight, or even her sexual organs. This led to Adam's downfall and consequently the downfall of the human race. Thus all 'sin' can be traced to Eve's sexual essence.

    And then there is in Christianity the role of the woman as the temptress, as the prostitute, as the social worker doing a service to men. No doubt, the prostitute played an important role in keeping the society together and keeping men from unleashing their testosterone fulled rage on the world or worse on themselves, but the belief in the degredation of female sexuality still retained its presence in culture and religion. It was not merely a Semitic perspective on women, but can be found in older cultures and religions as well, although it was not as emphatic or so much sublimated.

    In the ancient Greek world female sexuality took on a sublime role, such as in the rites of Dionysus were the cult fostered the role of women. The barbaric tendencies of the cult shocked the Athenians, and perhaps it was, afterall, thanks in part to men who tamed the cult in Athens divorcing it from its sexual barbarity and its association with sexual excess and "flesh-eating". Did man apply this sublimation to the sexual cult because of woman and her various sexual appeitite? Was this appetite anchored also to immorality?

    Is there a truth in human-animal sexuality which posits that female sexuality has a tendency to immorality? And is the acceptance now of female experimentation part of the slacking of the reigns also a forgetting of the immorality of female sexuality? We are no longer shocked by women when they experiment with other females, but we do pour moral indignation when males do it.

    So are we now, or about to, witnessing/witness an unrevelling, or a restructuring of these old cultural perspectives, and if so, what implications might it have in the future?
    I've no idea what you're blathering about towards the end, but men had their time for homosexual experimentation - try Ancient Greece, Rome, Renaissance Europe, feudal Japan... the Judaeo-Christian scripture was actually quite ground-breaking in condemning homosexuality (if indeed it did). And no-one cared anyway. It's because men gain value as they age, so the older they married the better, and had time for fun with both sexes beforehand.

    It's only since medicalisation of sexuality in the 1800s that the designation homosexuality came into use.

    Lesbianism was traditionally less of an issue: women were married off in early puberty or before, and became the property of one man (this was to ensure they didn't have too many kids, in settled society that's detrimental) - so had no chance to experiment. Any lesbianism was masked by two things:
    - close, emotional female friendships being normal
    - the sex essentially being non-insertive

    When women could afford to sleep around more (financial independence, legal independence, contraceptive pill) the model of marriage took severe hits. Women also wanted to experiment and get married later because there was relatively little danger of getting knocked up. Because the sexual revolution happened at the same time both as feminism and gay rights movements women were OK.

    Today we see the results of a century-long medical stigma against men as well as a couple thousand-year-old religious stigma before that (though most people did ignore it, and homosexuality was ill-defined).
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    What is it with gay people needing gay pride days? Do they not realise the only people who care are themselves, and those who are homophobic. In other words, its inviting trouble.

    And as far as I am aware there are no hetero-pride days, so why do we need homo-pride days? Its bizarre.

    OP, unless you intend to 'express sexual creativity' as you put it, or shag a bloke as I'd put it, and are trying to seek an online forums acceptance for it (why would you bother?), then this thread is ridiculous. In fact it is ridiculous either way.
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    (Original post by Hard.Target)
    Unfortunately so, next it will be pedophiles.
    This - society as a whole is in decline due to queer-sympathisers and bleeding heart liberals tolerating these sexual deviants
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    Thanks. But this is just a cultural perspective. It is just one of many perspectives, and I am sure my perspective will change the more I absorb other perspectives. Call it the Will to Truth.
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    (Original post by loopy786)
    Times are a-changing, whether people like it or not.. jsut like the English language, amongst other things.
    Yes but is it for the betterment of society or just fodder for the next series of jeremy kyle?

    I just dont equate an anti-tradition movement with a progressive society. Its so arrogant of society to not recognise that we are making current mistakes with its direction too. Better and more freedom for some will always result in less idealogical freedom for others.

    we need to get over ourselves.
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    (Original post by James94)
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...25&version=KJV

    If you understand that, you'll realise why what you just said is stupid. The bible has more contradictions in it that a Lib Dem manifesto.
    I do understand that, but i never argued that the bible has no contradictions. What i'm saying is that the OP is portraying woman in the wrong light. No where in the bible or any of the holy books does it suggest that being a lesbian is a lesser sin than being gay. All aspects of homosexuality are refereed to in the context of men because of the woman's lesser position.
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    (Original post by academic eric)
    Yes but is it for the betterment of society or just fodder for the next series of jeremy kyle?

    I just dont equate an anti-tradition movement with a progressive society. Its so arrogant of society to not recognise that we are making current mistakes with its direction too. Better and more freedom for some will always result in less idealogical freedom for others.

    we need to get over ourselves.
    Okay, so what do you propose we do? We seem to live in quite a liberal society.
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    To be fair, a man can do everything he can with a man with a woman. (Blow jobs, anal)
    But a woman can't scissor a man, so if she wants to know what scissoring is like, she has to turn to a woman.
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    (Original post by loopy786)
    Okay, so what do you propose we do? We seem to live in quite a liberal society.
    Not really for me to say...but I believe that far too often we have our head in the clouds stating that traditional society = bad and new liberal society = good. Its not that simple. Some peoples needs are met, some peoples arent. Always has been the case and will continue to be.
 
 
 
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