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    It's been used a lot for media/commercial purposes, Tom Cruise was abseiling down it for a film iirc and it's been climbed up by that French skyscraper climbing guy. As people have already said, the city is mainly empty because the population is so small and the current investment projects aren't going to give a return for a few years yet. Oil and gas used to provide a large share of the UAE's GDP income but nowadays it only provides a quarter of GDP with financial services and tourism providing an increasingly large share of GDP. The oil/gas money is being used to heavily invest in education and creating industry so I doubt it'll be a ghost town after the oil/gas runs out. They're one of the global hotspots for foreign investments because of their low taxes and liberal economic policies so it'll probably end up similar to Hong Kong.
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    (Original post by Lemozo)
    Precious land resources. What? In the desert?
    Neither the Burj Khalifa or the proposed Kingdom Tower are located in deserts. One in Dubai, the other in Jeddah where yes, land is a precious resource. Nobody builds a sky scraper in a ****ing desert :facepalm:
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    (Original post by Lemozo)
    It's their way of compensating for the fact that their countries will never provide a meaningful contribution to the modern world stage.
    Except for modern numerology, algebra, the advancement of medicine, decimalisation and the root of half our language.
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    (Original post by didgeridoo12uk)
    they've planned a building twice as tall in saudi arabia... its truly ridiculous


    ****ing hell that's MASSIVE!!!!

    I can swear it will come down soon after it's build. It will cause many deaths just like the titanic.
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    (Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
    Except for modern numerology, algebra, the advancement of medicine, decimalisation and the root of half our language.
    Arabs did not speak Latin. They did not speak Greek. They did not speak Norman French.

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language#Word_origins:
    A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[89] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:



    Influences in English vocabulary
    Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
    Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
    Germanic languages (including words directly inherited from Old English; does not include Germanic words coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages): 25%
    Greek: 5.32%
    No etymology given: 4.03%
    Derived from proper names: 3.28%
    All other languages: less than 1%

    Arabic does not make up half of English vocab, if anything the percentage would be less than 1%.
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    To answer OPs original question...

    160 upwards - Mechanical
    156-159 - Communication and Broadcast
    155 - Mechanical
    139-154 - The Corporate Suites
    136-138 - Mechanical
    125-135 - The Corporate Suites
    124 - At The Top, Burj Dubai
    123 - Sky Lobby
    122 - At.mosphere, Burj Dubai
    111-121 - The Corporate Suites
    109-110 - Mechanical
    77-108 - Residential
    76 - Sky Lobby
    73-75 - Mechanical
    44-72 - Residential
    43 - Sky Lobby
    40-42 - Mechanical
    38-39 - Armani Hotel suites
    19-37 - The Residences
    17-18 - Mechanical
    9-16 - Armani Residences
    1-8 - Armani Hotel
    Ground - Armani Hotel
    Concourse - Armani Hotel
    B1-B2 - Parking, Mechanical

    Whether there are people living there... no-one knows...
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    (Original post by didgeridoo12uk)
    they've planned a building twice as tall in saudi arabia... its truly ridiculous


    They were planning an even bigger one in Dubai pre recession. I think Kuwait have a pretty tall one in the pipeline as well.

    Whatever really, people didn't have a problem when the Americans were trying it.

    (Original post by In2deep)
    I've been to the UAE. Forget the fancy buildings, most ordinary buildings (at least for them) are not occupied at all. There are more apartments then people atm and that is including all the foreigners which form a clear majority, what will they do when only their citizens are left?
    Bull****. Maybe true of Dubai but not of the other 6 emirates.
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    (Original post by Dirac Delta Function)
    They don't even have vanity here, because they are not building it, they're just signing a check (figuratively speaking) to transfer money they have because they happen to have been herding their camels on an ocean of oil.

    I have a lot of admiration for the engineering firms that can make this thing (remains to be seen), not the people who pay for it with money they didn't earn.
    oh, for ****s sake. Grow up.

    Do you think it's easy building a modern state in 40 years? Do you not think it will have no social impact? In 40 years, the U.A.E have achieved what it took most developed countries thousands of years to do. Do you think it was just a case of signing a check and paying a company to build a building? Do you not think it took years of investment to make sure that there was satisfactory supporting infrastructure? Transport facilities, modern airport, thriving airline, strong tourist industry etc.

    Do you think it will be as easy for the Saudis?

    You lot had no problem selling oil when it came out of your own North Sea.

    Yes, we've been blessed with natural resources. Just like how the British were blessed by living in an agrarian country with fertile land and water which they used to their advantage hundreds of years ago. We were blessed with oil and we've used it to our advantage. What is wrong with that? Look at Libya. They have oil and the place is a **** hole. Then look at places like Dubai and Bahrain that have next to no oil and have all the facilities of a developed, modern country.

    Besides, nothing in Britain is British anymore. Half the wealth in your country is the product of foreigners. What positive contribution have they had to the world since the end of the empire?
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    (Original post by Lemozo)
    No I don't, the Arab Sheikhs do. Their skyscrapers don't have any kind of originality (unlike their Western contemporaries) and are simply giant penises extending into the sky.

    It's their way of compensating for the fact that their countries will never provide a meaningful contribution to the modern world stage.
    http://www.spaceinvading.com/bookmar...0adtower_1.jpg

    http://c1.cleantechnica.com/files/2009/02/004_dubai.jpg

    http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/...ns271008_2.jpg

    http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/...lingtower1.jpg

    http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/5/24/deathstar.jpg

    http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/5...1531244490.jpg

    All are buildings or planned buildings in different areas of the UAE. Hardly unoriginal I'd say. Much better than your standard American building. There's nothing special about most of the buildings in New York. There's just a lot of them. Most of them are squad little things and even the nice ones like Trump Tower have nothing on Dubai. And it's shaped the way it is because it was the most efficient way, engineering wise, to support it's size. The thing is an engineering masterpiece, to do it any other way would have been impossible.

    And what is so original about British architecture? Last time I was there, all I saw were a bunch of red and brown blocks. And that was in London. Which was still an improvement from the dreary grey **** holes all around the rest of the country.

    And why are you making the assumption that it will all be gone when the oil goes? Do you not understand how an economy works? Do you not understand that a country does not just go from having a GDP like the UAEs to just dissapearing.

    Countries like Britain do not export oil and they're doing just fine. As are Singapore and a variety of other countries. Dubai actually has no oil. Neither do the other 5 emirates. Abu Dhabi does but plans are already in place and by 2030, oil should only contribute to about 30% of our economy.

    Dubai is the most diverse city in the world, with most of upper class being Arab. So they must obviously be doing something right with the standard of living they're offering for people to keep coming. No one wants to go to Britain anymore. The place is gone.
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    (Original post by Pax Amerifauna)
    Arabs did not speak Latin. They did not speak Greek. They did not speak Norman French.

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English...#Word_origins:
    A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973)[89] that estimated the origin of English words as follows:



    Influences in English vocabulary
    Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%
    Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%
    Germanic languages (including words directly inherited from Old English; does not include Germanic words coming from the Germanic element in French, Latin or other Romance languages): 25%
    Greek: 5.32%
    No etymology given: 4.03%
    Derived from proper names: 3.28%
    All other languages: less than 1%

    Arabic does not make up half of English vocab, if anything the percentage would be less than 1%.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic...edieval_Europe

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Norman_culture

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influen...ther_languages

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rds_in_English
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    (Original post by bob247)
    Bull****. Maybe true of Dubai but not of the other 6 emirates.

    Even more true for Ajman and Sharjah tbh
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    (Original post by bob247)
    oh, for ****s sake. Grow up.

    Do you think it's easy building a modern state in 40 years? Do you not think it will have no social impact? In 40 years, the U.A.E have achieved what it took most developed countries thousands of years to do. Do you think it was just a case of signing a check and paying a company to build a building? Do you not think it took years of investment to make sure that there was satisfactory supporting infrastructure? Transport facilities, modern airport, thriving airline, strong tourist industry etc.

    Do you think it will be as easy for the Saudis?

    You lot had no problem selling oil when it came out of your own North Sea.

    Yes, we've been blessed with natural resources. Just like how the British were blessed by living in an agrarian country with fertile land and water which they used to their advantage hundreds of years ago. We were blessed with oil and we've used it to our advantage. What is wrong with that? Look at Libya. They have oil and the place is a **** hole. Then look at places like Dubai and Bahrain that have next to no oil and have all the facilities of a developed, modern country.

    Besides, nothing in Britain is British anymore. Half the wealth in your country is the product of foreigners. What positive contribution have they had to the world since the end of the empire?
    This is the funniest bit. What in the UAE is actually Arab apart from the camels and the sand? Everything else is built by foreigners. The UK has one of the biggest economies in the world, is the second largest producer of science, technology and medicine, and exports it's culture in all forms of media.

    Yes, the UAE has been blessed with oil, and what did it do with it? Make a **** load of useless things like half empty towers, artificial islands that are now sinking,
    absurdly extravagant hotels and the biggest this and that in the world who's only worth is the short-lived claim to fame that gets taken away by the guys next door.

    You think there has been progress because you see stuff around you, but what you don't see is the what mattes the most - a serious long term development of the society at every level, from it's education and culture to its economy and industry. The country is 75% foreigners, and it is almost entirely dependent on them. In the last 40 years, instead of using their oil $$ to invest in their future and ensure that they will be ok once oil income is no longer available, they have gone and wasted it on crap like blah blah city which are sitting empty after the bubble burst. What exactly are they going to do when the oil is no longer there for them?
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    (Original post by Panda Vinnie)
    The UAE does not have problems, Dubai does.
    Yeah I hear it's a real utopia.
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    (Original post by Dirac Delta Function)
    This is the funniest bit. What in the UAE is actually Arab apart from the camels and the sand? Everything else is built by foreigners. The UK has one of the biggest economies in the world, is the second largest producer of science, technology and medicine, and exports it's culture in all forms of media.

    Yes, the UAE has been blessed with oil, and what did it do with it? Make a **** load of useless things like half empty towers, artificial islands that are now sinking,
    absurdly extravagant hotels and the biggest this and that in the world who's only worth is the short-lived claim to fame that gets taken away by the guys next door.

    You think there has been progress because you see stuff around you, but what you don't see is the what mattes the most - a serious long term development of the society at every level, from it's education and culture to its economy and industry. The country is 75% foreigners, and it is almost entirely dependent on them. In the last 40 years, instead of using their oil $$ to invest in their future and ensure that they will be ok once oil income is no longer available, they have gone and wasted it on crap like blah blah city which are sitting empty after the bubble burst. What exactly are they going to do when the oil is no longer there for them?
    Get over yourself. The world could do very well without the modern day UK, who are not really in any position to criticise another country for not being prepared for a burst bubble. Your government is weak and divided and your people dispute over every major issue there is to be discussed. The country is a social minefield.

    You export the media? Yes, the world needs more of The Sun and The Daily Mail. Science? What major scientific breakthrough has the UK made in recent years? You lot have deluded yourself into thinking you are on par with the Americans in this field. Pretty much anything of use that the UK has done has either been done by a foreigner or owned by a foreigner.

    Some of the biggest projects in the UAE are the ones that are not being advertised in the international media. Simple residential projects like Khalifa City or more cultural ones like Saadiyat. They will have an enormous social impact on the nation.

    I'm sure you've heard of Masdar or "blah blah" city. The world's first zero emission city. Wholly supported by the Masdar Institute of Technology. Which is made up of UAE nationals. So I don't really see how education is not being developed. This place will create jobs for thousands many, many, many years into the future.

    Predicted Urban living standards are set to be in the top 5 in the world by 2030 do to the city basically being rebuilt. Again, thanks to UAE civil engineers.

    A nuclear sector is also developing

    There is no denying that Dubai went over the top. I do not deny that. However, their strategy was clear and not altogether devoid of . I fear places like Ras Al Khaimah may fall into the same trap. But places like Abu Dhabi and Sharjah are set to do fine.

    It's not fair to say that the UAE cannot have a positive impact on the world in the future. Did the Americans progress on their own or did they need the initial help of the English, French and Dutch? Only now are we seeing the first really generation who have received university educations. It started around my dad's generation but only now can it pretty much be taken as granted that most UAE youths of ages 18+ are university graduates.

    However, it is not fair to generalise the whole country and a whole nationality into being of no use because of those decisions. You are not a national of the UAE and will not be able to understand what Dubai has done for the nation and the Gulf as a whole. It's given us a sense of pride and belief that was not there before. That we can cut with the best. Again, I'm not denying that most of the work is done by foreigners, but wait till the next generation have a chance to show what they can do. Many of the foreign workers in these big engineering firms etc. are all being phased out as UAE nationals take their place .

    Education is exceedingly strong. Schools here are comparable with the best in the world. Most universities are admittedly not up to scratch but with NYU and MIT setting up organisations here that is set to change. Most UAE nationals will be educated externally anyway. Providing they get in, the government will basically give them a fully subsidised ride throughout uni. Every year you see more UAE nationals take up places in institutions like Cambridge, Oxford, Michigan, MIT, Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Princeton, Berkley, CIT etc.

    I realise that that is not something unusual in the UK. However, my point being that the UAE is catching up and plans are being made for the future.

    Culture is strong and thriving basically everywhere apart from Dubai.

    Film making is a particular niche that is being developed. Just because it's not hollywood and doesn't reach you there in the UK doesn't mean it's no good.

    Industry is also developing. Our banking industry is amongst the best in Asia.

    I believe the world's first unlimited storage USB was recently developed here. A small thing I know and not much to boast about but a sign that things are improving and as more research universities are set up here, it is set to increase.

    I'm not worried about what's going to happen when the oil is gone. Yes, things will not be as lavish. But places like Singapore, Hong Kong do fine without oil exports. The money has been invested wisely. The UAE has built up an image and is an attractive destination for many. It could not have been done without the splurges that Dubai had undergone. It's left future generations with fantastic infrastructure which they can exploit. It provides a lot of services, particularly to Eastern countries and it's population is set to explode in the next couple of years. I barely saw any Americans when I was in New York and that place is fine. Don't see why it will be any different here.

    In general there is very little that the UK has to offer that the UAE cannot and does not. Your typical UAE national is generally no more or no smarter than your typical UK national but has better job prospects because of the infrastructure set forward by the UAE government.
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    (Original post by Dirac Delta Function)
    This is the funniest bit. What in the UAE is actually Arab apart from the camels and the sand? Everything else is built by foreigners. The UK has one of the biggest economies in the world, is the second largest producer of science, technology and medicine, and exports it's culture in all forms of media.

    Yes, the UAE has been blessed with oil, and what did it do with it? Make a **** load of useless things like half empty towers, artificial islands that are now sinking,
    absurdly extravagant hotels and the biggest this and that in the world who's only worth is the short-lived claim to fame that gets taken away by the guys next door.

    You think there has been progress because you see stuff around you, but what you don't see is the what mattes the most - a serious long term development of the society at every level, from it's education and culture to its economy and industry. The country is 75% foreigners, and it is almost entirely dependent on them. In the last 40 years, instead of using their oil $$ to invest in their future and ensure that they will be ok once oil income is no longer available, they have gone and wasted it on crap like blah blah city which are sitting empty after the bubble burst. What exactly are they going to do when the oil is no longer there for them?
    Hmm let's see who owns the new One Hyde Park (the country's most expensive real estate) shall we? Oh yeah, Qatar government. What about the new tower, "The Shard" being constructed in London...set to be the tallest building in the UK? Oh yes, Qatar :rolleyes:
    Harrods? Qatar.
    Sainsburys? Qatar.
    Barclays? Qatar.
    Your mum? Also Qatar, although mind you they got her for free so it didn't take a sizeable chunk out of the sovereign wealth fund.

    And these are just examples owned by Qatar, there are many more significant parts of Britain that are part or wholly owned by Arab governments of UAE (namely Abu Dhabi) and Saudi Arabia.

    So tell me then, what is it of the UK's prime assets that are actually British? :rolleyes:

    As for your baffling statement about artificial islands sinking :rolleyes: Well I suggest you educate yourself on the topic before you get absolutely owned and have your ass handed to you on a plate...because you're either completely ignorant to make such a statement or you genuinely share the intellect of a parasite.

    F.Y.I...artificial islands are nothing new. They exist all over the world, from Canada, to Japan and would you like to guess what Hong Kong's entire airport is built on? Bingo! An artificial island. Difference is the UAE (as well as Qatar with 'The Pearl', Bahrain, and Oman with 'The Wave') are making islands with unique designs that's it.

    The whole idea of those islands sinking is just some media exaggeration from tabloids that are read and believed by brain dead. Unless you find the proven statistics (which you won't, because it's not the case) then you have no grounds to your idiocy.

    Your post shows that you clearly don't know about the place.

    First off Dubai has no oil, it hasn't had any for the past 10 years. You speak of ensuring income after oil? Well for the past 6 years oil has contributed just 8% to Dubai's economy. Now that would be called diversifying the economy.

    Again, the property bubble really only exists in Dubai. Speaking about UAE solely based on Dubai is as credible as speaking about the UK solely based on Birmingham.
    But anyway, you clearly know so little there's not enough time in the day to bring your pea-sized brain up to scratch with the realistic situation over there.
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    So what? He claimed Arabic provided the roots of half of our language. That is patently false as any etymologist who isn't a Muslim apologist will tell you. The Norman influence on English was before the heyday of Arab-Norman culture, and still, Arabic provided less than 1% of English vocab. Just because there are some often used words (like alcohol) doesn't make his claim any more correct.
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    (Original post by bob247)
    http://www.spaceinvading.com/bookmar...0adtower_1.jpg

    http://c1.cleantechnica.com/files/2009/02/004_dubai.jpg

    http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/...ns271008_2.jpg

    http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/...lingtower1.jpg

    http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/5/24/deathstar.jpg

    http://farm1.static.flickr.com/215/5...1531244490.jpg

    All are buildings or planned buildings in different areas of the UAE. Hardly unoriginal I'd say. Much better than your standard American building. There's nothing special about most of the buildings in New York. There's just a lot of them. Most of them are squad little things and even the nice ones like Trump Tower have nothing on Dubai. And it's shaped the way it is because it was the most efficient way, engineering wise, to support it's size. The thing is an engineering masterpiece, to do it any other way would have been impossible.
    I disagree. From the outside, all of those look like the products of egotistical architects looking to make their mark on the landscape, with little regard for how the buildings actually contribute. It's pretty obvious the architects don't give a crap about this (hey, they're not going to be filled anyway) - most of the pictures have little or no context to show how they're going to fit into the rest of the cityscape, they focus on the form of the building itself as if it's some sort of sculpture. It's not good architecture unless the building also serves the function it was designed for. Western priorities at the moment would suggest you want to try your hardest to incorporate efficient forms and minimise its environmental impact too.

    I admit I haven't been to NY (or Dubai for that matter) but it does appear that there there's some sort of consistency; the high density of floorspace goes hand in hand with the density of people and the lifestyle. A planning process has occurred in which the buildings have been designed to meet the demands of the property market. In Dubai it looks more like the buildings are nothing more than exhibits in some sort of architectural freak show.
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    (Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
    And why is it that people only make a point about calling out 'extravagance' when it's the Arabs? Almost all of the world's man-made 'wonders' have been extravagant projects which seemed to push the boundary of possibility. Sistine chapel, Eiffel tower, Mount Rushmore? They're all unnecessary structures which have no purpose but to be revered in their ambition. It's just a double standard I'm seeing here, I don't see anyone looking at the Eiffel tower or Statue of Liberty in disgust, but we're all ready to bust a nut when we hear of an Arab project.
    Those were all built as monuments, and they do an excellent job at this. They might be seen as a money sink for those who build / maintain them but this was always the intention. You can't really compare them to the construction of an empty skyscraper which is essentially a failed business enterprise. When you build a skyscraper you are effectively manufacturing a product, which is floor space, to sell to clients to cover the costs of construction and maintenance and make a profit. Economics would suggest that you need to balance supply and demand to keep the prices up but maximise profit. If you are building far too much floor space you are effectively devaluing it until it is worthless as supply is so far in excess of demand, and totally screwing yourself over. In a word: FAIL.
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    (Original post by thefish_uk)
    Those were all built as monuments, and they do an excellent job at this. They might be seen as a money sink for those who build / maintain them but this was always the intention. You can't really compare them to the construction of an empty skyscraper which is essentially a failed business enterprise. When you build a skyscraper you are effectively manufacturing a product, which is floor space, to sell to clients to cover the costs of construction and maintenance and make a profit. Economics would suggest that you need to balance supply and demand to keep the prices up but maximise profit. If you are building far too much floor space you are effectively devaluing it until it is worthless as supply is so far in excess of demand, and totally screwing yourself over. In a word: FAIL.

    The Burj Khalifa was built as a monument...

    As were the Burj Al Arab, Emirates Palace Hotel, Palm Islands etc.
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    (Original post by thefish_uk)
    Those were all built as monuments, and they do an excellent job at this. They might be seen as a money sink for those who build / maintain them but this was always the intention. You can't really compare them to the construction of an empty skyscraper which is essentially a failed business enterprise. When you build a skyscraper you are effectively manufacturing a product, which is floor space, to sell to clients to cover the costs of construction and maintenance and make a profit. Economics would suggest that you need to balance supply and demand to keep the prices up but maximise profit. If you are building far too much floor space you are effectively devaluing it until it is worthless as supply is so far in excess of demand, and totally screwing yourself over. In a word: FAIL.
    I completely agree. However, this is not just 'a skyscaper' they are building. This is 'the tallest skyscraper', and as such should be considered not only along it's base value as a construction, but as the country's aspiration to build a lasting monument and/or attraction which claims a certain level of prestige. Something which we see replicated in almost every industrialised nation on the planet.
 
 
 
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