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    (Original post by Adman32)
    A friend of mine comes from a relatively wealthy family and went to the same school as me up to last year. In September he left and enrolled in a private school. But I, and most people I know, would never be able to afford this.

    I know many on this forum are indeed from private schools, so please try and be neutral.

    Perhaps I'm too far on the left, but in my opinion noone should better opportunities simply because of parental wealth. All people should be born equal, and should find success with hard work and ability, not money.
    Its really disgusting how "left wing" you are! Work hard and earn your own money, instead of telling other people what they do with their money, property!
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    If all the students at private schools went to state schools, the education budget would be stretched even further to an extent where nobody would get a good education at all. The money the rich people pay to send their kids to private schools is a few thousand pounds saved for the government to spend on a state pupil
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    (Original post by Adman32)
    They must share the same fate.
    Darwin's idea's might disagree with that.
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    (Original post by Adman32)
    A friend of mine comes from a relatively wealthy family and went to the same school as me up to last year. In September he left and enrolled in a private school. But I, and most people I know, would never be able to afford this.

    I know many on this forum are indeed from private schools, so please try and be neutral.

    Perhaps I'm too far on the left, but in my opinion noone should better opportunities simply because of parental wealth. All people should be born equal, and should find success with hard work and ability, not money.
    And what will that lead to? The people who have money did exactly that.
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    No. The fact that private school students receive a better education and therefore achieve more highly is not unfair, it's a clear sign that the state schooling system is preventing thousands of children from fulfilling their potential. The solution is not to ban private schools that are clearly doing a very good job, but to improve state schools to a level that stops so many children falling short of their true capabilities. If we want our education system to be fair then we need to make forward progress by raising the bar across the board, not by getting rid of a system that clearly works very well.
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    (Original post by bad_moose)
    No. The fact that private school students receive a better education and therefore achieve more highly is not unfair, it's a clear sign that the state schooling system is preventing thousands of children from fulfilling their potential. The solution is not to ban private schools that are clearly doing a very good job, but to improve state schools to a level that stops so many children falling short of their true capabilities. If we want our education system to be fair then we need to make forward progress by raising the bar across the board, not by getting rid of a system that clearly works very well.
    perfectly sensible and logical thing to do.
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    The government need to provide more funding to public schools so pupils are capable of attaining the same standard of education as those that go to private schools. I also think that the quality of teachers and teaching methods needs to be vastly improved in public schools, as that's what's holding many of them back. Just a personal opinion.


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    Obviously banning private schools is just impractical. Philosophically and morally though, I do agree with the OP. Incredibly immoral that students who go to private schools are bound to excel, whereas most state school students will have to work twice as hard to be barely successful.

    Personally though, I only support the ban from a moral point of view because I went to a crappy state school and I'm completely bitter about not having a level playing field. Even now, if I had the choice I would ban state schools because I'm jealous that I didn't have the oppurtunities they had and partially because they'd have to work hard instead of having everything handed to them on a silver platter.

    I also suspect that a lot of people are against the OP because the upper-middle to middle-middle class majority of TSR are distraught by the idea of not having a better education than the less fortunate of minority of TSR.
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    (Original post by Milanopersempre)
    Its really disgusting how "left wing" you are! Work hard and earn your own money, instead of telling other people what they do with their money, property!
    That's the whole point though. The kids haven't earned that money. Their parents have.
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    (Original post by HeavyTeddy)

    I also suspect that a lot of people are against the OP because the upper-middle to middle-middle class majority of TSR are distraught by the idea of not having a better education than the less fortunate of minority of TSR.
    Exactly my point. Anyone who logs into TSR for the first time will notice within 5 clicks that it is filled with a disproportionate number of users come from affluent upper middle class families.

    I agree with your post though. Morally speaking they're completely indefensible. I wouldn't ban them instantly but I don't know how anyone can really defend them from a moral point of view. They should be phased out.
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    1) if you haven't got enough money, B U R S A R Y
    2) If you've not got the money but have the motivation and ability to ace an entrance test, SCHOLARSHIP.
    Not every private school kid is up their own backsides.

    Although, in all truth, Grammar schools are almost identical in that the amount of income they receive from the government is about equal to the amount independent schools gain from fees, and thus their educational standards are higher than a traditional state school. Again, work hard and ace the entrance tests..
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    I don't understand why you would want to go to a private school anyway, the brilliance of Gove will mean state schools will probably out-do most private schools by the end of this governments time in office.
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    Drag the bottom up rather than take the top down a notch. Its not the private sector's fault it does a better job than the state as history shows us time and again. That's why I hate you militant left wing scum; you're good at telling people what to do with their money but no good at making any yourself.

    I went to a **** state school in a **** city. I did great.
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    Having a private school education isn't necessarily more of an advantage than having supportive parents. Some people's parents hear them read every night, my parents helped me with homework and taught me to read before I started school, not to mention explaining my homework to me and making sure I did it when I was in primary school. This obviously gave me an advantage when compared to someone else who was equal in all other aspects. Would it be fair to stop this from happening?
    You can't stop parents from doing what is best for their children, almost anyone can get an educational advantage that they might not necessarily have 'earned' like just happening to fall in the catchment zone of a better than average state school. Having friends that happen to be good at the subjects they struggle with etc.
    tl;dr advantages come in many different forms, the parents earned the money and they can use it to buy things for their children if they want, state schools need higher standards
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    (Original post by Adman32)
    That's the whole point though. The kids haven't earned that money. Their parents have.
    Well if the parents have earned that money, then it's their choice as to what they want to spend it on, isn't it? And parents usually get satisfaction out of buying things for their kids - whether it's something as simple as a set of toys, or something bigger like a private education.

    You make it sound as though kids who get a private education are like stealing from their parents or something.
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    (Original post by megaman7)
    you whine on about how "people can spend their money howeve they want" which frankly is just childish, but what is worse is that i have already pointed out that it is not the money of the person benefiting from the privating schooling because the child himself if not paying for it it is someone else paying, yet you have conviniently ignored this because you have not got a counter argument.
    So? Since when is there something wrong with that? People are only ever allowed to spend their money on themselves now?

    Besides, you could say exactly the same thing about state schools. It is not the money of the person benefitting from the school (i.e. the child) that pays for it, it is the taxpayer's money. You could say that about anything bought for children, because they have no money of their own.
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    (Original post by Acerbic)
    I don't condone banning private schools, rather taking away their status as charities which actually costs £100m in lost tax revenue. I also think it's perfectly feasible to legislate to ensure that the access to facilities currently given by private schools to state schools remains as it is.
    Why would you want to tax private schools more? They'd just have to put their fees up to offset the extra tax they're having to pay. Which means fewer people would be able to afford to go. And they'd end in the state system, and taxes would be paying for their education. So what you've gained in tax revenue, you're just having to pay out again to educate these extra children in the state system.

    It is deliberate that the government taxes private schools less than other private companies and businesses. They have "charity" status for a reason. Because this helps them perform their charitable activity - which is to subsidise fees to levels below what they would have otherwise been, so more people are able to benefit from such education. It means they are able to fund various bursaries and scholarships this way as well.
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    Well if the parents have earned that money, then it's their choice as to what they want to spend it on, isn't it? .
    Of course, so if they want to, they have the right to buy their kids an advantage that other kids don't possess. Stuff like buying them a position at a top law firm with a massive backhander, paying off judges for a not-guilty verdict after they murder their girlfriend, buying them an education that will allow them to walk into Oxbridge etc etc.

    Oh wait, one of those is (curently) still legal, the others aren't.


    I don't understand how if you allowed the university sector to select on finance rather than merit everyone would be up in arms, but one level below and suddenly its morally acceptable? Talk about Orwellian double-think.
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    So? Since when is there something wrong with that? People are only ever allowed to spend their money on themselves now?

    Besides, you could say exactly the same thing about state schools. It is not the money of the person benefitting from the school (i.e. the child) that pays for it, it is the taxpayer's money. You could say that about anything bought for children, because they have no money of their own.
    The thing is, buying your kid a yacht does not stop other kids getting a yacht. Buying your kid into a top job DOES stop someone else's kid getting that job.

    The current old boy network produces huge inefficiencies in the labour market that dramatically lowers our productive potential as a nation and harms everyone. Just look at our current woefully incompetent chancellor ffs and the staggering amount of damage that is doing. There must be 1,000 people more suitable for that role, but through his priviledged background and connections he got the job ahead of everyone else. This is no joke.
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    Socialism concept never worked... history has enough proof. Concept of money (greed) works very efficiently in progressing the world living standards. Unfortunately it is inequality (economic one) which motives people to work harder and create more wealth. Some kids will have parents money which will give them a better start, but that only motivates the ones who do not have, to work harder and innovate.
 
 
 
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