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    i guess its not fair, but then again i think the whole education system is flawed, exams get harder every year meaning that the year before us was given a better chance to get good results, it only shows how much people read for the exam and so doesnt show someones maximum potential, i think private schools basicly allow for students to reach there potentials unlike public schools where it doesnt really matter.
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    Unfortunately for you, we are free human beings. If one's parents have worked to earn enough money for to send their child to private school, who are you to encroach on that liberty and try to equalize the situation? Life is not fair and full of inequality. Having private schools is just one tiny inequality. There is inequality in wealth, talent, health, opportunity etc. If you want to be so egalitarian, why tackle one of it, why not all? Why not abolish private healthcare too? Or anything else that money gives people an unfair advantage. Yes people have different starting points, but no this isn't going to change. I remember reading about a child in Malawi who supported his orphaned siblings while studying in candlelight. He got a scholarship to Harvard. Yes this is one case, but often all it takes is one person to make a point - if you really want to accomplish something you can.

    My advice to you is to waste less time writing pointless threads that won't change the norm. Let the inequality motivate you to do well in life.
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    No. If people happen to have money and happen to want to send their children to a private school with that money they should be free to do so. Sure it's not fair but you could also argue the fact that some people are naturally smarter than others is also unfair.

    PS I did not go to a private school.
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    If all the private school students suddenly went to state schools, can you imagine the deficit that would be left, money wise? The same amount of money would be coming from taxes, yet more students would be taking that money, because the money from the fees wouldn't transfer to the state, it would stay in the private pockets.
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    So rich families would get private tuition. z0mg unequal opportunity, let's ban tuition as well!
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    (Original post by Adman32)
    All people should be born equal, and should find success with hard work and ability, not money.
    But people aren't born equal - money is only a part of this.

    Surely its less fair that random people get born more intelligent, etc and therefore get to take all the oppurtunities.

    And work ethic also has genetic factors.

    Lifes not fair, why drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator?


    I did not, by the way, go to a private school. But hold nothing against the people who did.
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    Communism doesn't work
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    They are. Now quit your whining.
    Proof?
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    (Original post by Adman32)
    A friend of mine comes from a relatively wealthy family and went to the same school as me up to last year. In September he left and enrolled in a private school. But I, and most people I know, would never be able to afford this.

    I know many on this forum are indeed from private schools, so please try and be neutral.

    Perhaps I'm too far on the left, but in my opinion noone should better opportunities simply because of parental wealth. All people should be born equal, and should find success with hard work and ability, not money.
    If your parents pay for your education, they'll be more likely to encourage you to work, surely?
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    (Original post by Thirst)
    Just a quick point in response to the comment someone made abut privately educated kids being arrogant. Well you know what, it’s a shame state schools can’t also install a mild arrogance in their pupils. In a recent interview with one of the interviewers for Oxford, when asked what main quality they look for in students he basically said they look for students who don’t accept the status quo, they look for students who don’t agree with everything they have to say, they want pupils who argue back and believe that they are right and the interviewers are wrong – they want people who think for themselves!

    Going to a private school is not just about academia, it is about building someone up to be confident and willing to defend themselves, it is about etiquette, it is about learning how to socialise with the right people. It is about all-round character building, something the state system fails at miserably. Don’t bash arrogance; in the right quantities it will get you far!

    Much of the modern world owes itself to the British private school system.
    i completely agree with that, i go to a private school but am being asked to go into the state/grammar system, by my parents.

    I'm not being arrogant however in all my iinterviews, i have seen a change in atmosphere.

    Ofcourse, if comprehensive schools could change thr objectives,(not just to get 5 Cs out of the pupil) but develop confidence to achieve the best. My opinion is that there should be more grammar schools as the disruptive ones should not influence those who aspire for better things (Politics).

    approximately a quarter of my year is on bursaries or scholarships, so there is an example of a school that wants to introduce equality in society. More schools should do this.

    I don't actually think that private education should be banished, but that more Grammar schools should be introduced as there is huge over subscription in them, there are 1000 possible applicants for 150 place, sure the 150 students get a good education, but what happens to the 850 others. Yes they are able, otherwise they would not have been entered for the exam.

    They go to hugely overpopulated comprehensives, where they will most likely underachieve. REINTRODUCTION OF GRAMMARS.
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    "Please try and be neutral" whilst saying private schools should be banned. It's through personal choice whether to send your private school or not. I'm sure if you could afford it, and if the school was better than the state, you would send your child to the better school. People just generally do what they think is the best for their child.

    EDIT: However, I do strongly agree with the fact all children should be given the same opportunities in life, regardless of what income they were born into. It's the state schools that need to improve - by banning private schools you are not achieving anything at all. Teachers should be aiming more than getting the child to pass.
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    Banning private schools would make hardly any difference at all. People with sufficient amounts of money would simply pay for tutors for their children and anything else they could do to give them an upper hand.

    People who send their children to private schools don't make state schools any worse, if anything, they make them better by paying taxes so I can't really see a good argument for scrapping them. Whilst it may seem that by scrapping them, you would create a fairer education system but in reality, it is unlikely that it would make any difference at all.

    It would be nice to see more bursaries and scholarships for financially poorer but academically able students to attend good private schools though, a good education shouldn't only be for those with wealthy parents. I am only able to attend the sixth form that I do because of a bursary that I receive and I'm sure that there are a lot of others who would benefit greatly from private schooling but are unable to finance it. Of course, improving the state education system could only be a good thing as well.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Everyone is born equal, you have 2 eyes, 2 arms, 2 hands, 2 legs, 2 feet, one head etc etc... equal, it is open to interpretation. Just because the parents of the baby are rich doesn't mean they were not born equal.
    We live in a world where money gets you everywhere, so a rich person and a poor person do not have the same oppurtunities because everything requires money and so are not equal.
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    even though i agree with what you saying, i too im from not wealthy family and i never had the chance to go to private school. at the same time i wouldnt want private schools t close down because i want to send it to my children and give the opportunity i never had.
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    (Original post by Adman32)
    We live in a world where money gets you everywhere, so a rich person and a poor person do not have the same oppurtunities because everything requires money and so are not equal.
    Oh so Richard Branson got no where? Alan Sugar? seriously that is BS, life is what one makes of it, if one wishes to be a bum and not become a success that is their prerogative just like it is someone else's to grab all the opportunities available to them and become a success.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    if one wishes to be a bum and not become a success that is their prerogative just like it is someone else's to grab all the opportunities available to them and become a success.
    I don't really know what kind of world you think this is. You seem to have been protected from the realities of life. Its naive to say something like this.

    For every one person like Branson who got to the top there are a hundred that got absolutely nowhere.

    There are people, whor egardless of how much effort they put in, will never be able to achieve what someone does when they have money and can buy education.
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    (Original post by Adman32)
    A friend of mine comes from a relatively wealthy family and went to the same school as me up to last year. In September he left and enrolled in a private school. But I, and most people I know, would never be able to afford this.

    I know many on this forum are indeed from private schools, so please try and be neutral.

    Perhaps I'm too far on the left, but in my opinion noone should better opportunities simply because of parental wealth. All people should be born equal, and should find success with hard work and ability, not money.
    It has been shown countless times that, by overwhelming average, your academic performance has been almost determined before you even enter primary school.
    People from rich families are always going to be at an advantage because they will be read to as young children, academic will be valued, there will be a strong work ethic, etc.
    That's not to say there aren't exceptions on either side of the spectrum, we are talking averages.

    Rather than banning private schools (and then would you ban tutors? revision guides? Not everyone can afford these), why not improve the state sector?
    In NI the state sector is so good that most wealthy people send their children to state schools, not private ones. What is England's excuse, therefore, for having such an under-performing sector?

    Even within the state sector, there are areas (such as Dorset) with lots of grammar schools, and plenty with none at all. And within comprehensives the quality of education varies wildly both on small and large geographical levels.
    Even if you outlawed private schools the children of the middle-class would still outperform those from lower income backgrounds.
    Their parents will play the system, push them forward, move to the areas with good schools. It is too easy to say "Oh, ban private schools! Look! Social mobility!". No. It starts from a much younger age. At birth.
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    Yes, I think it should be. Private schooling advantages the children of the richest proportion of society at the expense of everyone else. Unfortunately while income inequality exists, children of richer parents will get better opportunities than poorer children, but having it ingrained in our education system and condoned by the government is despicable. If children can't even start on a level playing field, how are we ever suppose to break down the rigid class boundaries?
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    I find it hilarious that my state school does better in every exam than the private school down the road.
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    (Original post by Adman32)
    I don't really know what kind of world you think this is. You seem to have been protected from the realities of life. Its naive to say something like this.
    I think this is a world of ample opportunities for me to grab by the horns and become a success. I have had a job sine I was 15, I made it to Sous-chef (this is with starting out with basic cooking skills) but recently quit to continue my education so that I can have a better chance in the business world... I'll admit I am not poor but I was still able to get a good job and advance, surely others can do the same regardless of background?
 
 
 
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