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    (Original post by OdinsThunder)
    Thats certainly not the impression I got, when I was directed to someones blog after they had been to India recently. Looked like run-off from a human abattoir. People were bathing, and bloated corpses were floating by closely in full view. Putrid.
    Considering the ganges is a holy site, and the hindu religion protects it ferociously, i highly, highly doubt this (though picture evidence ?)

    anyway, from your previous posts, the image i get of you that of arrogance and unwarranted self importance due to your race. Glad to see you continue to perpetuate it.
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    (Original post by therealOG)
    Yes, If they all disappeared overnight there would be a massive depression. And very likely social chaos and disorder leading to further disruption in the economy. Just think about it. Millions of participants of the labour force vanishing overnight. Production would fall at an unthinkable rate, tax revenues fall at an unthinkable rate and consumer spending would fall at an unthinkable rate. A dramatic drop in confidence would halt nearly all private investment, and many firms would go out of business as they wouldn't be able to function without their workers (or get business from other firms who relied heavily on migrant workforces). The stock market would collapse as financial speculators would withdraw their funds from the UK as fast as possible to avoid any losses, and this would create a positive feedback loop of self-fulfilling panic and withdrawal, creating a financial economic meltdown (like the East Asian financial crisis of 1997 but 1000 times worse).
    You seem to be making the mistake of thinking entire industries run on the back of immigrants. Yes, we would lose a large amount of the workforce, but the blow would be struck across the whole workforce, I doubt very much that any one industry will lose enough staff to completley fail. And the rest of your spiel is based on that, so is nonsense. It would likely slow growth and drop productivity, but as I said before, forecasts of global depression are just hyperbole.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    You seem to be making the mistake of thinking entire industries run on the back of immigrants. Yes, we would lose a large amount of the workforce, but the blow would be struck across the whole workforce, I doubt very much that any one industry will lose enough staff to completley fail. And the rest of your spiel is based on that, so is nonsense. It would likely slow growth and drop productivity, but as I said before, forecasts of global depression are just hyperbole.
    I'm not even going to try and explain what I meant. Your poor grasp of Economics would make my efforts futile. I never implied that whole industries were run on the back of immigrants. A person who understood what I was saying would recognise this.
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    (Original post by NerdBoy2)
    Most bin men are white!
    Lot of Doctors are Asians.
    I LOLed

    "Let's get rid of the darkies!"

    Rofl.
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    (Original post by therealOG)
    I'm not even going to try and explain what I meant. Your poor grasp of Economics would make my efforts futile. I never implied that whole industries were run on the back of immigrants. A person who understood what I was saying would recognise this.
    I understand what you are trying to say, but you are wrong.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    I understand what you are trying to say, but you are wrong.
    You are foolish, naive and uneducated about the macroeconomy and world economic interdependencies. So please don't try and tell me that I am wrong. I don't think you can comprehend or understand the immeasurable number of economic, political and social consequences of reducing the UK's labour force by a few million in a very short space of time.
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    (Original post by therealOG)
    You are foolish, naive and uneducated about the macroeconomy and world economic interdependencies. So please don't try and tell me that I am wrong. I don't think you can comprehend or understand the immeasurable number of economic, political and social consequences of reducing the UK's labour force by a few million in a very short space of time.
    Ok. That's the case, obviously.

    Because there is no nconcievable way labour could be brought in to cover the shortcomings. And of course it's not like a large majority of immigrants do unskilled or low skill shift work, which can be covered, albiet with strain.

    Shall we agree to disagree my dear?

    And, there's really no need for name calling.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Ok. That's the case, obviously.

    Because there is no nconcievable way labour could be brought in to cover the shortcomings. And of course it's not like a large majority of immigrants do unskilled or low skill shift work, which can be covered, albiet with strain.

    Shall we agree to disagree my dear?

    And, there's really no need for name calling.
    You. Are. Literally. So. Stupid.
    End of convo, I can't bare to cringe at your pathetic reasoning.
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    (Original post by therealOG)
    You. Are. Literally. So. Stupid.
    End of convo, I can't bare to cringe at your pathetic reasoning.
    Well it would be odd if I was figurativley stupid wouldn't it now?

    If you're so sure you're right, can you throw me some statistics about the amount of immigrants in our workforce, and their distribution between industries and so on? If you actually argue your point with something to back it up, rather than resorting to hubris and insult you might have more luck in any debate in which you partake. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Well it would be odd if I was figurativley stupid wouldn't it now?

    If you're so sure you're right, can you throw me some statistics about the amount of immigrants in our workforce, and their distribution between industries and so on? If you actually argue your point with something to back it up, rather than resorting to hubris and insult you might have more luck in any debate in which you partake. :rolleyes:
    I might do when I've got the time. You see, at the moment I'm revising for exams so that I may go to university and study Economics and Geography, areas where you seem to have a distinct lack of knowledge and understanding. My explanation would take a very long time (seeing as you don't know any Economic fundementals or have a general understanding of the causes of recessions and depressions) and I'm pretty sure it isn't worth my time educating you.
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    Your financial services industry would collapse - as would your pharmaceuticals, research science and engineering industries. Many companies would simply relocate their European headquarters to Paris/Frankfurt/Amsterdam etc. Your GDP per capita would fall quite substantially too. And the majority of the planet would treat you as a pariah state. Your cost to incentivize all expatriates to leave the UK would also leave your coffers bankrupted.

    Best regards,

    An immigrant.
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    (Original post by therealOG)
    I might do when I've got the time. You see, at the moment I'm revising for exams so that I may go to university and study Economics and Geography, areas where you seem to have a distinct lack of knowledge and understanding. My explanation would take a very long time (seeing as you don't know any Economic fundementals or have a general understanding of the causes of recessions and depressions) and I'm pretty sure it isn't worth my time educating you.
    And you've garnered all that from my short posts? You seem to be jumping to conclusions my dear :rolleyes: Hell, we haven't even talked about Geography.

    And I have some understanding of the causes of recession and depressio, although I've not studied economics. It's main contributing facot is inflation. And such as in the last recession it had more to do with govermental fiscal policy, in combination with the strength of the Pound, house prices and so on. And of course, the loss of confidence in the financial sector, the collapse of banks and so on.

    A little more civility wouldn't go amiss you know. I've been nothing but civil, and your hubris only serves to make you seem an arrogant ass.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    And you've garnered all that from my short posts? You seem to be jumping to conclusions my dear :rolleyes: Hell, we haven't even talked about Geography.

    And I have some understanding of the causes of recession and depressio, although I've not studied economics. It's main contributing facot is inflation. And such as in the last recession it had more to do with govermental fiscal policy, in combination with the strength of the Pound, house prices and so on. And of course, the loss of confidence in the financial sector, the collapse of banks and so on.

    A little more civility wouldn't go amiss you know. I've been nothing but civil, and your hubris only serves to make you seem an arrogant ass.
    Hahahaha :rofl:
    That just emphasises how little you know about Economics and the Economic cycle.
    Your short replies are all I need.
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    (Original post by ish90an)
    Actually India has at least 3 major racial divisions(Aryan, Dravidian and Oriental) and plenty of smaller ethnic divisions within. Brazil is one of the leading emerging markets today and is one of the most multi-racial countries on the planet. Stop embarrassing the British school system and resit your Geography A levels.

    Here's a question, if race is so intrinsically linked to economic growth, what on earth was China doing with its proud mono-racial population before the 1980s? Face it, China's economic progress has nothing to do with race and all to do with an artificially weakened currency, an export based economy and economic liberalisation.

    It really wasn't.

    The Chinese, African American and Indian immigrants in America from the 70s, 80s and (the Hispanics in the) 90s beg to differ. Also, European is not a race, you massive fool.

    You mean the crash in 2008 and the ongoing problems have nothing to do with rising debt levels brought about due to Reaganomics that were continued by all successive governments? Only a simpleton like yourself would blame immigration for America and the UK's economic decline.

    Only wannabe racists think race has anything to do with economic progress and exhibit their own ignorance of economics and history.
    I would advise you to stop posting and displaying your ignorance here, it is clear that you possess a very simplistic understanding of the world and economics and are carrying a massive chip on your shoulder, until you can actually educate yourself your arguments will be just as hollow as they have been proven to be so far.


    ok, so in the midst of that self righteous rant i think i spotted a couple points........


    i am saying that the west is declining and that multiracialism and multiculturalism are symptoms of that decline. i am saying that if japan wants to keep a stable society then it should avoid the suicidal immigration and welfare policies of the west.


    brazil is a country of nearly 200 million people. india over billion. so of course these countries are 2 of the fastest economies on the world. that growth would happen anyway, multi racial or not.


    but, in terms of future powers, india is never going to compete with china and neither is brazil. they are just to divided, to much of hodge podge of conflicting interests. brazil especially.


    america was at its height in the 60s, when it was over 90% european american, or white. today, america is a shadow of its former self. its not just the industry and economy that have declined. the overall standard of living has fallen sharply as well -- with massive increases in crime. america is fractured and divided society. it can never be as strong now as it was when it was mono racial. it is balkanising in real time.





    europeans not a race? er..........collectively, the ethnic europe peoples make up the european race. or white people.



    when the west was at its peak it was white and christian, now its decaying, its decidedly less white.

    its not a particular race that makes a nation strong, just a mono race and monoculture.

    multiculturalism is a weakening force.



    china and the east asian states will dominate because they follow this model. a super power needs a lot more than just a growing economy. its need racial and cultural harmony.
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    (Original post by therealOG)
    Hahahaha :rofl:
    That just emphasises how little you know about Economics and the Economic cycle.
    Your short replies are all I need.
    Are you telling me those aren't causes of a recession? :rolleyes:

    I told you, I've not studied economics, so maybe I don't know these cycles, or terminology, or whatever you have. But I have a fundemental understanding of economics, and what I said is correct as far as I can see. Would you care to point out where I'm wrong?
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Are you telling me those aren't causes of a recession? :rolleyes:

    I told you, I've not studied economics, so maybe I don't know these cycles, or terminology, or whatever you have. But I have a fundemental understanding of economics, and what I said is correct as far as I can see. Would you care to point out where I'm wrong?
    Okay, could I send you a PM over the next couple of days? I'm kinda busy right now. Who knows, it may actually help with my Economics revision. You'll have to remind me though. The reason why I've come over as an ass is because you're so inconceivably wrong I can't believe it!
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    (Original post by humanrights)
    ok, so in the midst of that self righteous rant i think i spotted a couple points........

    i am saying that the west is declining and that multiracialism and multiculturalism are symptoms of that decline. i am saying that if japan wants to keep a stable society then it should avoid the suicidal immigration and welfare policies of the west.
    brazil is a country of nearly 200 million people. india over billion. so of course these countries are 2 of the fastest economies on the world. that growth would happen anyway, multi racial or not.
    Population has nothing to do with growth, India and China both had sizeable populations even when they were stagnating economies.
    Your assertion is that somehow multiracialism is linked to economic growth. Brazil and India today and America before prove otherwise.
    but, in terms of future powers, india is never going to compete with china and neither is brazil. they are just to divided, to much of hodge podge of conflicting interests. brazil especially.
    Prove that Brazil and India can never compete with China. They may have started later than China but their current GDP growth is on par with what China saw in its initial boom period.
    america was at its height in the 60s, when it was over 90% european american, or white. today, america is a shadow of its former self. its not just the industry and economy that have declined. the overall standard of living has fallen sharply as well -- with massive increases in crime. america is fractured and divided society. it can never be as strong now as it was when it was mono racial. it is balkanising in real time.
    America in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s(when it was at its peak) was not 90% European American. There was a sizeable immigrant population then, and there is a greater immigrant population now, mostly due to Hispanic and Asian immigrants.
    http://www.census.gov/population/www...0056/tab01.pdf


    europeans not a race? er..........collectively, the ethnic europe peoples make up the european race. or white people.
    In the UK the "white" race only refers to British and Irish people(officially that is). There is no universal definition for the "European" race.
    when the west was at its peak it was white and christian, now its decaying, its decidedly less white.


    its not a particular race that makes a nation strong, just a mono race and monoculture.

    multiculturalism is a weakening force.


    china and the east asian states will dominate because they follow this model. a super power needs a lot more than just a growing economy. its need racial and cultural harmony.
    East Asian states? Which ones? Japan's falling faster than most Western economies, South Korea is too small and Vietnam and Indonesia aren't exactly hotbeds of economic growth.
    I'd advise you to stop embarrassing the British school system, you have no knowledge or understanding of statistical inference or correlations and are making wild causal links without any evidence.
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    (Original post by humanrights)

    china and the east asian states will dominate because they follow this model. a super power needs a lot more than just a growing economy. its need racial and cultural harmony.
    According to Chinese philosophy, harmony comes from balance, from black and white:

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    (Original post by humanrights)

    when the west was at its peak it was white and christian, now its decaying, its decidedly less white.
    :facepalm:
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    Then I wouldn't have to worry about being bombed :awesome:
 
 
 
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