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Are scientists morally resposnsible for inventing technology knowing full well that it could lead to many deaths? For example, Was Haber really a war criminal for his involvement in chemical weapons during WWI or was the Haber process a gift to humanity, which outweiged this? Discuss
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Make your own mind up, that way you dont have to keep making threads like this.
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(Original post by Blamps)
Are scientists morally resposnsible for inventing technology knowing full well that it could lead to many deaths? For example, Was Haber really a war criminal for his involvement in chemical weapons during WWI or was the Haber process a gift to humanity, which outweiged this? Discuss
Haber developed his process with the aim of making bombs using nitrogen etc. Because supplies of N2 was running out. Knowing fullwell that he is a contributor to people's deaths.
However it has to be noted that he also got a nobel prize for it as well.
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I suppose it depends on the intention with which the discovery was made. Einstein never intended for the full force of E=mc^2 to be unleashed on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I want to be a physicist, and looking out for possible future jobs I notice quite a few are with the MoD. I could never work for them.
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Make your own mind up, that way you dont have to keep making threads like this.
Piss off..I am just trying to having a discussion about a potentially topical issue...I do know what I think but would like to know of others' opinions....if you don't like it, don't bother reading it
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Haber developed his process with the aim of making bombs using nitrogen etc. Because supplies of N2 was running out. Knowing fullwell that he is a contributor to people's deaths.
However it has to be noted that he also got a nobel prize for it as well.
Yet the manufacture of NH3 arguably helped to save and improve the lives of many people
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Piss off..I am just trying to having a discussion about a potentially topical issue...I do know what I think but would like to know of others' opinions....if you don't like it, don't bother reading it
How can I know if I like it or not if I dont read it? Its so retarded when people say that, as for my original comment, I was only having a little jest, no need to be so defensive.
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How can I know if I like it or not if I dont read it? Its so retarded when people say that, as for my original comment, I was only having a little jest, no need to be so defensive.
Well don't read any topical threads i.e ones that you can envisage to be discussing opinions
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(Original post by imasillynarb)
How can I know if I like it or not if I dont read it? Its so retarded when people say that, as for my original comment, I was only having a little jest, no need to be so defensive.
No need for the jest either really, but I did not that you forgot to add a smiley. A smiley generally implies jest
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Well don't read any topical threads i.e ones that you can envisage to be discussing opinions
I dont have a problem with topical threads.
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I suppose it depends on the intention with which the discovery was made. Einstein never intended for the full force of E=mc^2 to be unleashed on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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Maybe not, but he alerted the American govt. to the potential of Atomic Energy.
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The RADAR was developed by scientists trying to create a death beam of sorts. Nothing moves technology forward faster than a good old arms race.
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I want to be a physicist, and looking out for possible future jobs I notice quite a few are with the MoD. I could never work for them.
Are any of the MoD jobs anything to do with research and development though? I thought the MoD left that up to BAE Systems, Boeing etc.
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I suppose it depends on the intention with which the discovery was made. Einstein never intended for the full force of E=mc^2 to be unleashed on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I want to be a physicist, and looking out for possible future jobs I notice quite a few are with the MoD. I could never work for them.
Have you actually read that letter Einstein composed to the F.D.R administration? He may not have specifically meant Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but he did mean to blow something rather large up. It is mentioned in the letter that a bomb could be made that could destroy everything within several miles/kilometres. However it would have to be towed into a habour with a time fuse, as it would be too large to carry via aeroplane. As you all know of course, times changed. But the American's did have to wait for the B-29 to be produced, and even then it could only carry one of the big suckers. Of course Einstein meant for destruction of a built up civilian area? What else would you call a port?
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Have you actually read that letter Einstein composed to the F.D.R administration? He may not have specifically meant Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but he did mean to blow something rather large up. It is mentioned in the letter that a bomb could be made that could destroy everything within several miles/kilometres. However it would have to be towed into a habour with a time fuse, as it would be too large to carry via aeroplane. As you all know of course, times changed. But the American's did have to wait for the B-29 to be produced, and even then it could only carry one of the big suckers. Of course Einstein meant for destruction of a built up civilian area? What else would you call a port?
Scientists even wondered whether the first atomic blast would lead to a chain reaction in the atmosphere, eating up all the oxygen...that would have been a scary thought!
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Scientists even wondered whether the first atomic blast would lead to a chain reaction in the atmosphere, eating up all the oxygen...that would have been a scary thought!
Yet they carried on with their experiments...
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Yet they carried on with their experiments...
so they gambled on the lives of billions in order to save thousands....
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so they gambled on the lives of billions in order to save thousands....
Is that an acceptable experimental risk?

Similar to bringing specimens etc from outer space, hoping no virus will be there, waiting to dervastate the planet. It has been calculated that there was a 0.000001% chance of that happening. And yet they carried on.
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Is that an acceptable experimental risk?

Similar to bringing specimens etc from outer space, hoping no virus will be there, waiting to dervastate the planet. It has been calculated that there was a 0.000001% chance of that happening. And yet they carried on.
Think about it, any virus on mars is going to be similar to ones on this planet, and extremely undeveloped compared to viruses on earth, so its hardly dangerous.

The calculations regarding the atmosphere blowing up were done on the back of a cigarette packet, it was mentioned by some scientist at the time, and it was something they had never thought about, so they did a quick calculation to see if it would happen, and as soon as they thought about it logically they knew it was a daft idea anyway.
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Think about it, any virus on mars is going to be similar to ones on this planet, and extremely undeveloped compared to viruses on earth, so its hardly dangerous.

The calculations regarding the atmosphere blowing up were done on the back of a cigarette packet, it was mentioned by some scientist at the time, and it was something they had never thought about, so they did a quick calculation to see if it would happen, and as soon as they thought about it logically they knew it was a daft idea anyway.
You can't know for sure whether they actually gave it some serious thought though
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