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I was thinking of some rather easy and menial jobs. Such as wiring up plugs. The prisions in the UK are filled by people who do things like this to supplement their own pocket money at about £3.70 per hour. That is not bad pay, and the job is trivial. Apparetly over 40% of plugs in the UK are passed through the prision system.
Give them a choice and people will choose the better option. ie work with better pay, for similar kind of jobs. More leaned towards vocational type of course.
But in the end, they are voters as well, who control power. However if it advantages these people, then they would want to work.
I was thinking of some rather easy and menial jobs. Such as wiring up plugs. The prisions in the UK are filled by people who do things like this to supplement their own pocket money at about £3.70 per hour. That is not bad pay, and the job is trivial. Apparetly over 40% of plugs in the UK are passed through the prision system.
Give them a choice and people will choose the better option. ie work with better pay, for similar kind of jobs. More leaned towards vocational type of course.
But in the end, they are voters as well, who control power. However if it advantages these people, then they would want to work.
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If you stick people in the military all you get is a load of young men trained to kill. It costs a lot too.
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Now you're cooking with gas. Ensocopier also suggested something like vocational work. Great stuff.
Now you're cooking with gas. Ensocopier also suggested something like vocational work. Great stuff.
1) You get paid.
2) It is easier.
If you reduce the payment of Social security, just a tad, but allowing the option of work for x amount of hours for themselves. They would be forced into working, to keep up their "cushy" lifestyle.
Put yourself in their shoes. You have no experience, you believe other people are against you, you have no qualifications. What do you do?
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For me personally I find that I would choose wiring plugs, cleaning up rather than endure Army training.
1) You get paid.
2) It is easier.
If you reduce the payment of Social security, just a tad, but allowing the option of work for x amount of hours for themselves. They would be forced into working, to keep up their "cushy" lifestyle.
Put yourself in their shoes. You have no experience, you believe other people are against you, you have no qualifications. What do you do?
For me personally I find that I would choose wiring plugs, cleaning up rather than endure Army training.
1) You get paid.
2) It is easier.
If you reduce the payment of Social security, just a tad, but allowing the option of work for x amount of hours for themselves. They would be forced into working, to keep up their "cushy" lifestyle.
Put yourself in their shoes. You have no experience, you believe other people are against you, you have no qualifications. What do you do?
a)further education or apprenticeship
b)find another job of some kind
c)obvious medical issues, but also caring for someone
If none of those three options are undertaken, congratulations. You're now in the military. You now get to do some basic training, and then choose from almost every profession dreamed up, and we will train you properly. 2 years service. Food free, accomodation free, pay good, and then you may leave. If you are in the civilian world for 12 months and haven't taken a,b,c again, welcome back. You're in the military. You now get to yadda yadda yadda.
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(Original post by Sire)
Please read this people. I'm looking for serious input, and may even act upon this issue depending on what is said.
Please read this people. I'm looking for serious input, and may even act upon this issue depending on what is said.
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i know in some cities in america they give them job training and then give them work, and THEN give them money. BTW sire, how are you?
i know in some cities in america they give them job training and then give them work, and THEN give them money. BTW sire, how are you?
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still aborigines were quite ****ed up colonialists - by all those white ex cons who we shipped over there - not saying i wouldnt do it again but . . .
I agree in theory with you
I agree in theory with you
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I'm quite good thankyou curry, and your fine self?
I'm quite good thankyou curry, and your fine self?
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one second: (im turning into quite the hypochondriac) my temperature is 100.1 and 100.5 (they are in diff. ears that is)
one second: (im turning into quite the hypochondriac) my temperature is 100.1 and 100.5 (they are in diff. ears that is)
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I would thank God I had 3 options to choose from
a)further education or apprenticeship
b)find another job of some kind
c)obvious medical issues, but also caring for someone
If none of those three options are undertaken, congratulations. You're now in the military. You now get to do some basic training, and then choose from almost every profession dreamed up, and we will train you properly. 2 years service. Food free, accomodation free, pay good, and then you may leave. If you are in the civilian world for 12 months and haven't taken a,b,c again, welcome back. You're in the military. You now get to yadda yadda yadda.
I would thank God I had 3 options to choose from
a)further education or apprenticeship
b)find another job of some kind
c)obvious medical issues, but also caring for someone
If none of those three options are undertaken, congratulations. You're now in the military. You now get to do some basic training, and then choose from almost every profession dreamed up, and we will train you properly. 2 years service. Food free, accomodation free, pay good, and then you may leave. If you are in the civilian world for 12 months and haven't taken a,b,c again, welcome back. You're in the military. You now get to yadda yadda yadda.
More like a Emergency combat troops. So you have a sort of good standing army from the new recruits, backed by a demilitarized personnel to be used in emergency times.
So pay more on the American boot camps, where education consists quite a major part of the training.
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Ears? God. My mother was adament about precision. Bend over son, this won't hurt a bit. I swear she put the bloody thing in ice water every time. Bloody woman.
Ears? God. My mother was adament about precision. Bend over son, this won't hurt a bit. I swear she put the bloody thing in ice water every time. Bloody woman.
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Quite a good plan. However try to ease the training and more on discpline.
More like a Emergency combat troops. So you have a sort of good standing army from the new recruits, backed by a demilitarized personnel to be used in emergency times.
So pay more on the American boot camps, where education consists quite a major part of the training.
Quite a good plan. However try to ease the training and more on discpline.
More like a Emergency combat troops. So you have a sort of good standing army from the new recruits, backed by a demilitarized personnel to be used in emergency times.
So pay more on the American boot camps, where education consists quite a major part of the training.
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Sire, why are these people unemployed in the first place: poor education, low morale, family problems? I think that the family is one of the most important factors in crime, unemployment etc. So many people start of life on the back foot. I know you are against using tax money for this type of thing, but what about a grant given to poor families, not just given away but linked to academic results, perfect criminal record etc. That would provide incentives, and would solve the underlying problem.
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(Original post by Ensocopier)
Sire, why are these people unemployed in the first place: poor education, low morale, family problems? I think that the family is one of the most important factors in crime, unemployment etc. So many people start of life on the back foot. I know you are against using tax money for this type of thing, but what about a grant given to poor families, not just given away but linked to academic results, perfect criminal record etc. That would provide incentives, and would solve the underlying problem.
Sire, why are these people unemployed in the first place: poor education, low morale, family problems? I think that the family is one of the most important factors in crime, unemployment etc. So many people start of life on the back foot. I know you are against using tax money for this type of thing, but what about a grant given to poor families, not just given away but linked to academic results, perfect criminal record etc. That would provide incentives, and would solve the underlying problem.
Now to your point of a grant. Great idea, everyone should have an equal opportunity, so grants would be possible to poorer families for education and other purposes. A good side effect of this whole concept is that crime rates would be drastically reduced. Considering, that in theory, every citizen after about 20 years would be registered, and unemployment without just cause would almost be wiped out. A lot of crimes would no longer need to be carried out. Win/win situation I tells ya. Could do with a lot of refining and a hell of a lot more input, but this is almost perfect.
As I've always said. When mature people sit down, anything can be resolved for the better.
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Sire, why are these people unemployed in the first place: poor education, low morale, family problems? I think that the family is one of the most important factors in crime, unemployment etc. So many people start of life on the back foot. I know you are against using tax money for this type of thing, but what about a grant given to poor families, not just given away but linked to academic results, perfect criminal record etc. That would provide incentives, and would solve the underlying problem.
Sire, why are these people unemployed in the first place: poor education, low morale, family problems? I think that the family is one of the most important factors in crime, unemployment etc. So many people start of life on the back foot. I know you are against using tax money for this type of thing, but what about a grant given to poor families, not just given away but linked to academic results, perfect criminal record etc. That would provide incentives, and would solve the underlying problem.
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We wish you godspeed in your results Mayor Rainey.
We wish you godspeed in your results Mayor Rainey.
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We wish you godspeed in your results Mayor Rainey.
We wish you godspeed in your results Mayor Rainey.
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Mayor?
Mayor?
EDIT: Hmm, well it appears that you have beaten me to the spot.
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Sorry. I meant Senator Rainey.
EDIT: Hmm, well it appears that you have beaten me to the spot.
Sorry. I meant Senator Rainey.
EDIT: Hmm, well it appears that you have beaten me to the spot.
Thanks for the vote of confidence mate 
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