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Why do we have so many foreign students?

I know there's real heartbreak at the number of UK students not getting into university. I look around my uni (manchester) and it's possibly 50-50. I am judging this not on skin colour because their's a lot of white students who are not British too. I can tell because they speak a different language or their accent gives them way. Surely it's immoral to deny a place at university for a UK student when we have so many foreign students? By foreign students I mean non-EU. I've got little problem with international students, just the huge quantities. For example, if I am in a tutorial and I want to chat about the work and their's maybe 80% foreign students (which is no exaggeration), then it can get really awkward.

Do you think that it's right to have so many? Most of them probably will leave back home anyway and thus not contribute to the economy. Do you think that this will increase with the rise of tuition fees?

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Reply 1
They pay more, I guess many universities use them to get some extra funding.
Reply 2
When we accept foreign students, we don't deny a place to a UK student. The foreign student doesn't take the place of the UK student. Nor do they take a place that the UK student would have had.

They have different quotas set aside for them.
Reply 3
there's* x2
Reply 4
Only 23% of students at Manchester University are from overseas
http://unistats.direct.gov.uk/searchResults.do?pname=subjectsearchresults&level3Subjects=L.%AC10007798%ACnovalue%ACnovalue%AC410%ACNo%AC77%ACNo%AC79%ACNo%ACYes

Get your facts straight.

"By foreign students I mean non-EU"
From this I can infer you just don't like students who aren't white.
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Reply 5
Original post by y2k1
I know there's real heartbreak at the number of UK students not getting into university. I look around my uni (manchester) and it's possibly 50-50. I am judging this not on skin colour because their's a lot of white students who are not British too. I can tell because they speak a different language or their accent gives them way. Surely it's immoral to deny a place at university for a UK student when we have so many foreign students? By foreign students I mean non-EU. I've got little problem with international students, just the huge quantities. For example, if I am in a tutorial and I want to chat about the work and their's maybe 80% foreign students (which is no exaggeration), then it can get really awkward.

Do you think that it's right to have so many? Most of them probably will leave back home anyway and thus not contribute to the economy. Do you think that this will increase with the rise of tuition fees?


Because they pay a ****load of tuition fees. It's expensive to run a university. Somebody has to pay for it :wink:

Because it's within the quotas, funding and all that.

Because part of becoming educated is to learn about different people and cultures...and learn how to socialize with people who may not be from your country.

If you're a strong candidate, you won't be without a university place FFS.

In what way is it awkward? Are you socially inept?

I'm British and have no problems talking to and making friends with international students. Most of my closest friends are international students. I think it makes life more interesting.

I find it hilarious that the gov't is increasing home student tuition fees and at the same time trying to tighten visa rules for foreign students
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Reply 6


And 1/4 is acceptable for you?
Reply 7
Original post by No Future
Because they pay a ****load of tuition fees. It's expensive to run a university. Somebody has to pay for it :wink:

Because part of becoming educated is to learn about different people and cultures.

If you're a strong candidate, you won't be without a university place FFS.

In what way is it awkward? Are you socially inept?

I'm British and have no problems talking to and making friends with international students.


Well, there's 1 tutorial whereby I have nobody to talk to because only few of the students speak English or are confident enough to speak it.
Original post by Still_Water
When we accept foreign students, we don't deny a place to a UK student. The foreign student doesn't take the place of the UK student. Nor do they take a place that the UK student would have had.

They have different quotas set aside for them.


Different quotas doesn't mean that if we reduced the international quota a UK student couldn't take their place. There are only so many students a class can take, UK or international. You're arguing a technicality and avoiding the crux of the argument.

Realistically, it's all about the benjamins I'm afraid. They fund the universities far more than UK students, so the unis will push for as many as possible.
Reply 9
It's a business, they pay more. What makes you more deserving of a place?
Original post by y2k1
Well, there's 1 tutorial whereby I have nobody to talk to because only few of the students speak English or are confident enough to speak it.


So the problem is not that they're international students, but that their English is not good or they are not confident in speaking English? Or for your subject they don't have a minimum English language requirement?

Or maybe you don't make enough effort to talk to them in English? I'm sure if you tried they would make an effort too.

Many international students can speak perfectly good English.

Out of interest, what subject do you study and which uni are you at? :s-smilie:
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Reply 11
brazillion intl students yay! and they pay around 11k-13k per year so i think they are well enough to study here, what i don''t like is the scammers where they say they are going to study in a bogus university and then come here and goes to work for the nearest indian/chinese takeaway. because its a serious p*sstake when they can't get your order rights, i mean when i say No onions i mean no onions.
Reply 12
The issue is not that there are a lot of international students who might not benefit the economy in the future...the real issue is why the tuition fees are increasing by so much that the UK citizens themselves can hardly afford to pay for their education. Besides, International students, I hope you know, have to pay three times as much than a normal UK citizen! Is it worth it...NO! I say go to Holland!
I hope I don't get a load of foreigners in the same class as me when I start Uni!
Reply 14
Original post by y2k1
And 1/4 is acceptable for you?


Yes, it is perfectly acceptable. I don't see what your problem is.
Original post by thisismycatch22
Different quotas doesn't mean that if we reduced the international quota a UK student couldn't take their place. There are only so many students a class can take, UK or international. You're arguing a technicality and avoiding the crux of the argument.

Realistically, it's all about the benjamins I'm afraid. They fund the universities far more than UK students, so the unis will push for as many as possible.


To be honest, I think the answer to your first point lies in your second.

Given how much unis lose on their home students, I'm guessing that market forces pretty much dictates how many international students they have to accept anyway. In other words, universities lose money on home students. They have to make up the shortfall somehow, and international students are a legitimate way to do this.

So I imagine the number of international students has stay constant anyway. At least, proportionate to the number of home students. It's not financially viable to have it otherwise.
Reply 16
From what i know of the system , INT student does generally does not compete for places with locals . As generally they fund their place , locals on the other hand have a cap due to budget constraint. Thus during UCAS application of search they are a separate entity

Thus explaining the PM speech in china , where increase in tuition fees allow more places for local. Correct me if i am wrong.
Reply 17
Because this once great nation rolled over and has allowed the foreigners to trample her under their feet.

Another thing is this country has no backbone. If the french government do something the people don't like, they start a revolution. Here? Well we just accept it.
Reply 18
Original post by Jason2
Because this once great nation rolled over and has allowed the foreigners to trample her under their feet.

Another thing is this country has no backbone. If the french government do something the people don't like, they start a revolution. Here? Well we just accept it.



if i remember the stats right , french has more foreigner then the UK. Worse of all many of its citizen are rock by disunity over religion

Original post by y2k1
I know there's real heartbreak at the number of UK students not getting into university. I look around my uni (manchester) and it's possibly 50-50. I am judging this not on skin colour because their's a lot of white students who are not British too. I can tell because they speak a different language or their accent gives them way. Surely it's immoral to deny a place at university for a UK student when we have so many foreign students? By foreign students I mean non-EU. I've got little problem with international students, just the huge quantities. For example, if I am in a tutorial and I want to chat about the work and their's maybe 80% foreign students (which is no exaggeration), then it can get really awkward.

Do you think that it's right to have so many? Most of them probably will leave back home anyway and thus not contribute to the economy. Do you think that this will increase with the rise of tuition fees?


Um... if a university has a high number of international students, it means that it has a great international reputation. Suck it up, be glad that you were accepted, and learn a thing or two about other cultures :wink:

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