racist parents

"dont patronise me,"

Don't give me the chance to

"nice again how you try and go to insults to prove a point!"

I apologise I'm just getting tired of certain arguements this thread.

"Yes i know too about Stalin andhis plans and i will say this , stalin was as bad as hitler himself if not worse. I believe that without a doubt."

Except he wasn't an irrational racist (well not to the same extent), his plans of territorial aggregation weren't as grandiose as Hitler and his ideology that was used to justify the atrocities was at least in someways intellectual and progressive unlike Nazism which was nothing but a hotchpot of regressive, illogical and emotional statements.

Let us ignore this anyway the Hitler vs. Stalin debate is a fruitless one

"Russia too has had a bloody history and i am saying that japan has one too ,"

So does Germany for a part. So has France at times (the french revolution, napoleonic wars, algeria). So does China (as I explained earlier). So does Britain (imperialism and so on). The point is everywhere has shameful, bloody and brutal eras, do not try to single out Japan or claim its culture is responsible for its particular one.

"not just for a period but for a long time."

14 years of brutality, and about 50 years of territorial exapansion (supported by the west untill 1918 to)

That is not a long time by historical standards, it is a historical era.

"WW2 was trying to stop a threat from Germany , japan, italy etc not about conquering nations ."

It was a mostly defensive war for the Allied nations I'd agree

"Japan was one the worst countires for murdering and brutalities in WW2. if you deny that , then its not worth carrying on this debate. Japan did go into the war with the aim to gain land , prestige etc. "

Of course they did. And so has every other bloody country at sometime. Why single out Japan for ever and a day?

"I think my point that while i can why a culture could believe suicde is honourable , i think also from a rational point of view, it does contribute to japan having a bloody and brutal culture. The suicides of multiudes of people is a pointless waste form a humanist view."

Humanism is simply the product of industrialised Western societies however. Indeed war in pursuit of territory and resources is a bloody and pointless waste from a humanist view.

Martyrdom as a place in many religions and cultures because they do not focus purely on the material world as we do.

"Im not a smug westerner at all. I do have a lot fo respect for japan and have looked into their culture as i have an intrest in the country. dont make silly presumptions about someone you dont know. For all you know i could come from there. you contraidct yourself and i think you should grow up before you make silly comments and personal attacks."

No you are saying Japan has a long history of brutality and violence when this is rubbish. At the same time you deny the brutality and violence of many Western societies which to me has all the hall marks of Western supeirority

Student_Bum

no murder is never right in any way. Things like the atomic bomb is considered by many acedmics as the way to stop the war continueing due to japan's stubborness.
Don't act like im ****ing stupid because you obviously seem the ignorant one if you cant argue without making personal insults towards me. you look like the stupid one. Believe me , i am in no way stupid.

I'll be honest with you I was just bored with endless cyclical points so I insulted you, I apologise.

The atomic bomb was used to end the war early I would agree. Partially so the Soviet Union would not divide Japan in half like Germany. Partially because so much funding towards developing a bomb against Germany had been used that it had to be tested at one point.

But anyway if you argue that killing women and children is evil, was it right to save them just to save the lives of US soldier who are military men?

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Student_Bum

no murder is never right in any way. Things like the atomic bomb is considered by many acedmics as the way to stop the war continueing due to japan's stubborness.
Don't act like im ****ing stupid because you obviously seem the ignorant one if you cant argue without making personal insults towards me. you look like the stupid one. Believe me , i am in no way stupid.

I'll be honest with you I was just bored with endless cyclical points so I insulted you, I apologise.

The atomic bomb was used to end the war early I would agree. Partially so the Soviet Union would not divide it in half. Partially because so much funding towards developing a bomb against Germany had been used that it had to be tested at one point.

But anyway if you argue that killing women and children is evil, was it right to save them just to save the lives of US soldier who are military men?

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Student_Bum

no murder is never right in any way. Things like the atomic bomb is considered by many acedmics as the way to stop the war continueing due to japan's stubborness.
Don't act like im ****ing stupid because you obviously seem the ignorant one if you cant argue without making personal insults towards me. you look like the stupid one. Believe me , i am in no way stupid.

I'll be honest with you I was just bored with endless cyclical points so I insulted you, I apologise.

The atomic bomb was used to end the war early I would agree. Partially so the Soviet Union would not divide it in half. Partially because so much funding towards developing a bomb against Germany had been used that it had to be tested at one point.

But anyway if you argue that killing women and children is evil, was it right to save them just to save the lives of US soldier who are military men?

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I havent denied that western countries (im talking about usa and uk) havent had a brutal history but i am saying that in this period of time especially that it was far less brutal than japans. You ahve presumed that i ahve said this through your obvious distaste of westernisation.

Japanese culture does promote brutality and fearlessness towards their enemies and treated their POWs without any respect for human life. I think this is wrong (here you go again about my western view) I think this is wrong as they didnt show humanity towards people in general.

martyadom i believe is wrong too. could you sue this to justify suicde bombers? by saying its okay because its part of their culture?

you have been looking for a way to preside your superioty over me by trying to put my argument down with eprsonal insults. grow up and learnt to debate properely.

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I havent denied that western countries (im talking about usa and uk) havent had a brutal history but i am saying that in this period of time especially that it was far less brutal than japans. You ahve presumed that i ahve said this through your obvious distaste of westernisation.

Japanese culture does promote brutality and fearlessness towards their enemies and treated their POWs without any respect for human life. I think this is wrong (here you go again about my western view) I think this is wrong as they didnt show humanity towards people in general.

martyadom i believe is wrong too. could you sue this to justify suicde bombers? by saying its okay because its part of their culture?

you have been looking for a way to preside your superioty over me by trying to put my argument down with eprsonal insults. grow up and learnt to debate properely.

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Student_Bum

I havent denied that western countries (im talking about usa and uk) havent had a brutal history but i am saying that in this period of time especially that it was far less brutal than japans. You ahve presumed that i ahve said this through your obvious distaste of westernisation.

Japanese culture does promote brutality and fearlessness towards their enemies and treated their POWs without any respect for human life. I think this is wrong (here you go again about my western view) I think this is wrong as they didnt show humanity towards people in general.

martyadom i believe is wrong too. could you sue this to justify suicde bombers? by saying its okay because its part of their culture?

you have been looking for a way to preside your superioty over me by trying to put my argument down with eprsonal insults. grow up and learnt to debate properely.

Martyrdom is different in that it affects other people than merely the person in question.
The Japanese treated the POWs brutally because they were disdainful that the soldiers had surrendered. They considered this to lack honour, which we know is all important in their culture.

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Student_Bum

I havent denied that western countries (im talking about usa and uk) havent had a brutal history but i am saying that in this period of time especially that it was far less brutal than japans. You ahve presumed that i ahve said this through your obvious distaste of westernisation.

Japanese culture does promote brutality and fearlessness towards their enemies and treated their POWs without any respect for human life. I think this is wrong (here you go again about my western view) I think this is wrong as they didnt show humanity towards people in general.

martyadom i believe is wrong too. could you sue this to justify suicde bombers? by saying its okay because its part of their culture?

you have been looking for a way to preside your superioty over me by trying to put my argument down with eprsonal insults. grow up and learnt to debate properely.

Martyrdom is different in that it affects other people than merely the person in question.
The Japanese treated the POWs brutally because they were disdainful that the soldiers had surrendered. They considered this to lack honour, which we know is all important in their culture.

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"I havent denied that western countries (im talking about usa and uk) havent had a brutal history but i am saying that in this period of time especially that it was far less brutal than japans. You ahve presumed that i ahve said this through your obvious distaste of westernisation."

So then at one point Japan had a bad time. In fact Britain was also having a bit of a bad time in India not so far away (Amritsar) but let us forget this. This is no reason to permanently hate or brand a culture evil, that was te point made a long time ago.

"Japanese culture does promote brutality and fearlessness towards their enemies and treated their POWs without any respect for human life. I think this is wrong (here you go again about my western view) I think this is wrong as they didnt show humanity towards people in general."

Lots of cultures and ideologies don't. British Imperialism didn't. The POWs were indeed poorly treated, but then so have POWs by all sides throughout history. America in Korea, English treatment of French POWs in the Hundred Year's war, the mass killing of socialist POWs after the Spanish Civil war and so on

"martyadom i believe is wrong too. could you sue this to justify suicde bombers? by saying its okay because its part of their culture?"

Some cultures do. It may come as a surprise but many Middle Easterner's don't consider the suicide bombers to be wrong. To be matyred is a suprme act of faith isn't it? Christians see it as such as well, one could at one point only be cannonised if you were a matyr

"you have been looking for a way to preside your superioty over me by trying to put my argument down with eprsonal insults. grow up and learnt to debate properely."

In truth I only attacked you and not others

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"I havent denied that western countries (im talking about usa and uk) havent had a brutal history but i am saying that in this period of time especially that it was far less brutal than japans. You ahve presumed that i ahve said this through your obvious distaste of westernisation."

So then at one point Japan had a bad time. In fact Britain was also having a bit of a bad time in India not so far away (Amritsar) but let us forget this. This is no reason to permanently hate or brand a culture evil, that was te point made a long time ago.

"Japanese culture does promote brutality and fearlessness towards their enemies and treated their POWs without any respect for human life. I think this is wrong (here you go again about my western view) I think this is wrong as they didnt show humanity towards people in general."

Lots of cultures and ideologies don't. British Imperialism didn't. The POWs were indeed poorly treated, but then so have POWs by all sides throughout history. America in Korea, English treatment of French POWs in the Hundred Year's war, the mass killing of socialist POWs after the Spanish Civil war and so on

"martyadom i believe is wrong too. could you sue this to justify suicde bombers? by saying its okay because its part of their culture?"

Some cultures do. It may come as a surprise but many Middle Easterner's don't consider the suicide bombers to be wrong. To be matyred is a suprme act of faith isn't it? Christians see it as such as well, one could at one point only be cannonised if you were a matyr

"you have been looking for a way to preside your superioty over me by trying to put my argument down with eprsonal insults. grow up and learnt to debate properely."

In truth I only attacked you and not others

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save a life of us soldier and possibly millions of japanese ones. however, we can't make judgements on that seeing as we havent seen the alternative history.

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you were the one who first used the term of "matrydom".

Because the soldiers surrendered does that give the japanese ANY right to treat them in that way? "its their culture" is no excuse for it.

Britian has had a bloody history too and ill admit this. Mots countries have but the japenese have had one the worst.

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save a life of us soldier and possibly millions of japanese ones. however, we can't make judgements on that seeing as we havent seen the alternative history.

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you were the one who first used the term of "matrydom".

Because the soldiers surrendered does that give the japanese ANY right to treat them in that way? "its their culture" is no excuse for it.

Britian has had a bloody history too and ill admit this. Mots countries have but the japenese have had one the worst.

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Student_Bum

save a life of us soldier and possibly millions of japanese ones. however, we can't make judgements on that seeing as we havent seen the alternative history.

True. I am ambivalent towards the atomic bomb I most admit and dislike attempts by some to use it as an attempt to show America's slide into iniquity.

Reply 153

Student_Bum

save a life of us soldier and possibly millions of japanese ones. however, we can't make judgements on that seeing as we havent seen the alternative history.

True. I am ambivalent towards the atomic bomb I most admit and dislike attempts by some to use it as an attempt to show America's slide into iniquity.

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Student_Bum

you were the one who first used the term of "matrydom".

Because the soldiers surrendered does that give the japanese ANY right to treat them in that way? "its their culture" is no excuse for it.

Britian has had a bloody history too and ill admit this. Mots countries have but the japenese have had one the worst.

I did not use the term martyrdom.
And it doesn't give them the right, but it explains why they behaved so.
I disagree that the Japanese have had the worst. Personally I think the behaviour of the US in more recent wars has been worse (Iraq and Vietnam). That's more a matter of opinion.

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Student_Bum

you were the one who first used the term of "matrydom".

Because the soldiers surrendered does that give the japanese ANY right to treat them in that way? "its their culture" is no excuse for it.

Britian has had a bloody history too and ill admit this. Mots countries have but the japenese have had one the worst.

I did not use the term martyrdom.
And it doesn't give them the right, but it explains why they behaved so.
I disagree that the Japanese have had the worst. Personally I think the behaviour of the US in more recent wars has been worse (Iraq and Vietnam). That's more a matter of opinion.

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sorry for the confusion. I meant ferrus not you.

Reply 157

sorry for the confusion. I meant ferrus not you.

Reply 158

'you were the one who first used the term of "matrydom"'

And?

'Because the soldiers surrendered does that give the japanese ANY right to treat them in that way? "its their culture" is no excuse for it.'

However, lets play devil's advocate. You say it was inhumane and immoral. If you were Japanese however it could well be asked: what gives you the right to defend pusilamity of soldiers who refused to die honourably, when it was "just thier culture" - the japanese would have treated their own people in say civil wars the same

"Britian has had a bloody history too and ill admit this. Mots countries have but the japenese have had one the worst."

No this is the crux of why you are wrong. Japan had a period of history that was one of the most bloodiest in history. For the rest of the time it was in comparison to Europe remarkably peaceful. No country is "one of the worst" - all countries have commited despicable acts, some countries may have committed acts more despicable than they did were they given the oppurtunity like say Japan was. That is human nature. There is nothing inherently violent, evil or brutal about Japanese culture or the people who populate the isles of Japan.

Therefore to link to the original post, that is why it is highly irrational of her parents to dictate in the manner they have.

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