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The point is that just because one calls one's ideology "democratic socialism" does not mean, by definition, that the ideology is democratic and socialist. Heck, I could come up with a Marxist ideology and call it "pure capitalism" if I want.
That was my point too!
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Social democracy is another word for democratic socialism.
Not sure that's entirely true!

Bismark - The NAZIS did nothing for workers and the most resistance was from workers.
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Not sure that's entirely true!

Bismark - The NAZIS did nothing for workers and the most resistance was from workers.
Nice of you to miss my point. Read my above post.
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Nice of you to miss my point. Read my above post.
lol... I thought you were quite funny...

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To everybody:

What will you do concerning British troops in Iraq?
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To everybody:

What will you do concerning British troops in Iraq?
We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will also withdraw all British troops with immediate effect from Iraq. We will never again involve British troops in any more American 'wars for oil' or neo-con adventures on behalf of the Zionist government of Israel.
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I'd lobby to keep them in Iraq until the job is done. Despite any disagreements over whether the war was just in the first place, to pull out now and abandon the Iraqis with the security nightmare that we caused would be morally wrong.
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Also, Shylock sent me a great PM asking me about several other policy areas. I've I get his/her permission I'll post my response up later. He/She covered a lot of stuff I didn't in my manifesto.
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The Conservative policy is to keep the troops in Iraq and not abandon those people who we went to war to free, as doing so would be very bad for the politics of the entire region, let alone the country.
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Ok then: so here are some more of my "positions" on the hot issues that YOU want to know about. I'd be interested to see the other parties answer the same questions.

(Original post by shylock30012001)
1) what's your stance on the entry of foreigners into the country/just having foreigners in the country?
Foreigners (what e vague term) are essential to the British economy, and any damage that a small minority do, be it crime, or violence, is far outweighed by the influx of cheap labour that comes to the UK. I personally can see three types of foreigners who come to the UK, each of which have difference priveleges.

1) EU citizens EU citizens have the right to live, work and study in the UK, and vote in local elections. As a British citizen living in France, I can see full well the benefits of such a policy. It allows the free flow of qualified labour, and the different nature of training abroad allows people with different skills to come to the UK and work. This is only good for our economy. This free movement is reciprocal, and allows British companies to send their staff and set up bases around Europe. With such a policy, everyone is a winner. I have no problem with EU citizens living and working in the UK.

2) non EU economic immigrants Again, I have little problem with non-EU economic immigrants. I think perhaps there is room to be more stringent about how long people may stay, and whether we permit families to come over too (once a family comes it is very hard for the authorities to remove an economic immigrant if he/she is no longer working). However, given that the UK is at full employment, we now need to import cheap labour, because British citizens go for all the best jobs and it's difficult to recruit unskilled workers. Equally, importing skilled labour (in limited quantities and where it is needed ie the NHS) is beneficial to the economy.

3) Asylum seekersI believe people seeking asylum have every right to come to the UK, and we should continue to welcome asylum seekers. However, I think a system of detention centres is the only way to control the flow of asylum seekers into our country. These centres will centralise the processing of asylum seekers, speeding the process up. I believe that two weeks should be adequate time to process a family, and a further three weeks for an appeal hearing. However, if the first appeal hearing fails they should be returned to region where the failed asylum seeker came from.
Such centres will show that Britain is not a soft touch on asylum, and make us less attractive for fake asylum seekers. It will not leave us open to failed asylum seekers remaining in the UK, who cannot work and therefore are not beneficial to the economy. Such a system works for Australia, who have seen a reduction in the number of asylum seekers since such a system was introduced. I believe it can work for us too.

2) what's your stance on the BNP?
I believe the BNP are a scare tactics party who don't understand the benefits of international economic trade, immigration or multiculturalism, and play on the fears of the electorate. They come across as ill informed and unrealistic. I wouldn't waste my time with them if I were you.
3) please state your stance on the country's relationship with america.
America remains, in economic terms, a strong and stable trading partner. However, I acknowedge the recklessness of the current administration and am not happy with persistant human rights abuses abroad committed by the US, especially whilst they preach a doctrine of moral perfection. I believe Britain plays a valuable role in restraining America and american action. However, we should be prepared for a frank and honest discussion of how the "special relationship" goes forward.
4) your stance on the pension scheme
British national pensions are in a mess-that is undeniable. I intend to lobby for a 50% top rate of tax for earnings over £100,000 to fill this hole, and further windfall taxes on large UK companies if necessary. British pensioners left us a legacy of freedom and hope, and should not be left to starve whilst Britains richest feast on the profits of this freedom
5) your stance on privitisation and government owned industry/services etc
In all I am for privatisation of certain services and believe that renationalisation of the rail industry would be too costly (and either way the rail companies seem to be getting their acts together). Living in France, where a lot of public services are controlled by a monopoly service, I can see how inefficient certain services are (such as France Telecom). I believe that certain services should be competitive (telecoms, provision of local services such a refuse collection), but it is in our interest for some services to remain under government control; notably Royal Mail and the NHS
6) your stance on anti-terrorism
I like all the parties, find terrorism deplorable. However, fighting terrorism should not come at a cost to our civil liberties. I am against the introduction of ID cards, which I have pledged not to take up should they become obligatory, and against the erosion of the rule of law and extended custody of suspected terrorists. Note that in my opinion the most effective way to reduce the risk of terrorism in our country would be to prevent failed asylum seekers from remaining; a system of detention centres would permit this. Not strictly related, although I am critical of the case for war in Iraq, I believe we should commit our troops there untill the job is done.
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(Original post by Carl)
I'd lobby to keep them in Iraq until the job is done. Despite any disagreements over whether the war was just in the first place, to pull out now and abandon the Iraqis with the security nightmare that we caused would be morally wrong.
Well said.

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(Original post by bikerx23)
The Conservative policy is to keep the troops in Iraq and not abandon those people who we went to war to free, as doing so would be very bad for the politics of the entire region, let alone the country.
Great.
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Labour agrees.
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Great.
you know it
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Come on Lib Dems tell everyone why its best for the Iraqi people to let them be killed by insurgents.

I mean, we all know why the BNP think that, but surely the Lib Dems must have a better justification?
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The Liberal Democrats vehemently oppose such suggestions form the right hand gentleman and would hope that no person will ever leave those more vulnerable than himself in a position from which they can be attacked.

The war in Iraq is and always was unjust, ultimately we were the only major party who agreed with the majority of the public that we should not have approached the situation as we did.

However, the invasion has imposed on us a moral obligation to ensure that we leave Iraq as a stable, democratic country. But, a strong case can be made to make a phased withdrawal of our troops. The longer our forces stay, the more they create a greater problem, fuelling insurgency and creating resentment amongst an Iraqi public that would overwhelmingly agree with withdrawal.
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can we vote twice?
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can we vote twice?
is that actually a serious question?
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sorry wrong thread and i was joking in that thread too.
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Once Again! How Are You Going To Pay For All This!!!
Allow me to answer (despite not being as eloquent as cosmik, nor the party leader):

Currently, Labour spends £138 billion a year on benefits, this figure is rising each year. It constitutes around a third of all public spending. Some of this money could be used.

Another source could be the millions that we give each year as 'aid' to LEDC's - this is unnecessary expenditure considering the state of Britain. Why spend millions trying to help (but being unable to) LEDC's when Britain is in its current state?

Finally, we've wasted millions of pounds, not to mention soldiers' lives!, on a pointless war in Iraq - rather than spending money on following the yanks into ludicrous wars the BNP could use the money to much better effect on our shores.


Just a few of my ideas.
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well - its a sensible question - normal members get a vote, subs get 2 votes, mods 3 and admin as many as they care to cast - a fair and well structured system I believe.
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well - its a sensible question - normal members get a vote, subs get 2 votes, mods 3 and admin as many as they care to cast - a fair and well structured system I believe.
Sounds like a plan to me.
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