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(Original post by 2776)
Maybe a mini Pearl Harbour? They knew what was going on, or half knew, but either were given bad info, or decided not to act.
Maybe a mini Pearl Harbour? They knew what was going on, or half knew, but either were given bad info, or decided not to act.
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(Original post by vienna95)
but that would imply that 9/11 was a controlled event. ie the US planned it, which is of course, false.
but that would imply that 9/11 was a controlled event. ie the US planned it, which is of course, false.
You do know they have portable missile launchers around the White house, so they are prepared for maybe a helicopter style thing.
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(Original post by 2776)
They would have anyway, but (I'm all for the war to remove Sadaam) as it is it was a pretty dodgy ground, with France and what not.
They would have anyway, but (I'm all for the war to remove Sadaam) as it is it was a pretty dodgy ground, with France and what not.
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(Original post by Joey_Johns)
With respect, who cares about what France thinks?
With respect, who cares about what France thinks?
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(Original post by 2776)
Maybe not controlled, but they probably knew a likely chance of a 9/11 happening. But probably did not a lot to tighten up security before hand.
You do know they have portable missile launchers around the White house, so they are prepared for maybe a helicopter style thing.
Maybe not controlled, but they probably knew a likely chance of a 9/11 happening. But probably did not a lot to tighten up security before hand.
You do know they have portable missile launchers around the White house, so they are prepared for maybe a helicopter style thing.
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(Original post by Infinity)
The white house wasn't hit, just the towers and the pentagon.
The white house wasn't hit, just the towers and the pentagon.
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(Original post by 2776)
A member of the UN security council, so USA would never have gotten it past its veto. So it would never have been a UN led coalition.
A member of the UN security council, so USA would never have gotten it past its veto. So it would never have been a UN led coalition.
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(Original post by Infinity)
The white house wasn't hit, just the towers and the pentagon.
The white house wasn't hit, just the towers and the pentagon.
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(Original post by Joey_Johns)
Once again. Does America really care about the UN? I think not. American can do what the hell it wants. Its proved that enough times in the past.
Once again. Does America really care about the UN? I think not. American can do what the hell it wants. Its proved that enough times in the past.
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(Original post by 2776)
America doesn't care about the UN. When tehy put troops close to iraq, the dice was rolled, and everything pointed to war. Would you pull your troops out? In from of the world media? No, they would be laughed at, badly.
America doesn't care about the UN. When tehy put troops close to iraq, the dice was rolled, and everything pointed to war. Would you pull your troops out? In from of the world media? No, they would be laughed at, badly.
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(Original post by Infinity)
Exactly! All the evidence was there, someone didn't do their damn job. To many different branches not working together to put all peices together and realise what was about to go down.
Exactly! All the evidence was there, someone didn't do their damn job. To many different branches not working together to put all peices together and realise what was about to go down.
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(Original post by Kurdt Morello)
yes but it was a gamble that doesnt appear to have paid off - now Bush and Blair could yet face impeachment by the Senate House and the Parliament respectively
yes but it was a gamble that doesnt appear to have paid off - now Bush and Blair could yet face impeachment by the Senate House and the Parliament respectively
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(Original post by 2776)
Maybe not controlled, but they probably knew a likely chance of a 9/11 happening. But probably did not a lot to tighten up security before hand.
You do know they have portable missile launchers around the White house, so they are prepared for maybe a helicopter style thing.
Maybe not controlled, but they probably knew a likely chance of a 9/11 happening. But probably did not a lot to tighten up security before hand.
You do know they have portable missile launchers around the White house, so they are prepared for maybe a helicopter style thing.
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(Original post by Kurdt Morello)
yes but it was a gamble that doesnt appear to have paid off - now Bush and Blair could yet face impeachment by the Senate House and the Parliament respectively
yes but it was a gamble that doesnt appear to have paid off - now Bush and Blair could yet face impeachment by the Senate House and the Parliament respectively
No man's a jester playing Shakespeare
Round your throne room floor
While the juggler's act is danced upon
The crown that you once wore
And sooner or later
Everybody's kingdom must end
And I'm so afraid your courtiers
Cannot be called best friends
Caesar's had your troubles
Widows had to cry
While mercenaries in cloisters sing
And the king must die
Some men are better staying sailors
Take my word and go
But tell the ostler that his name was
The very first they chose
And if my hands are stained forever
And the altar should refuse me
Would you let me in, would you let me in, would you let me in
Should I cry sanctuary
No man's a jester playing Shakespeare
Round your throne room floor
While the juggler's act is danced upon
The crown that you once wore
The king is dead, the king is dead
The king is dead, the king is dead
Long live the king
Mastery.
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(Original post by Kurdt Morello)
yes but it was a gamble that doesnt appear to have paid off - now Bush and Blair could yet face impeachment by the Senate House and the Parliament respectively
yes but it was a gamble that doesnt appear to have paid off - now Bush and Blair could yet face impeachment by the Senate House and the Parliament respectively
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(Original post by Kurdt Morello)
that day was a dark day for american security - they were totally hapless
that day was a dark day for american security - they were totally hapless
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(Original post by vienna95)
youll be in favour of extending the Patriot Act, contrary to the wishes of some democrats?
youll be in favour of extending the Patriot Act, contrary to the wishes of some democrats?
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(Original post by Infinity)
Not really, because all the evidence was at their dispossal before the patriot act. I just wish they would take the threats more seriously than they have. They get tons of false alarms, but they still need to investigate each threat as if it could happen, or else it will happen again.
Not really, because all the evidence was at their dispossal before the patriot act. I just wish they would take the threats more seriously than they have. They get tons of false alarms, but they still need to investigate each threat as if it could happen, or else it will happen again.
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(Original post by vienna95)
the evidence was there but they were unable to pass it between themselves. the patriot act removes these, at times, ridiculous barriers in information sharing.
the evidence was there but they were unable to pass it between themselves. the patriot act removes these, at times, ridiculous barriers in information sharing.
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(Original post by Infinity)
As long as the power is not abused, I have no problem with it.
As long as the power is not abused, I have no problem with it.
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