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(Original post by Howard)
Heterosexual sodomy is often used as a way of saying that it's not peculiar to homosexuals. And of course that's perfectly true.

However, it becomes asinine when people go on to say ".......well, it's no different then" because of course the difference between having anal sex with a woman and anal sex with a man is very clear.

Faced with a man and a women bent over your kitchen table which would you chose to bugger? I'd personally find a huge pair of hairy testicles swinging beneath my mount's legs to be rather offputting.
And I'm sure a gay man would love the sight of a huge pair of hairy testicles. They probably think, just as I do, that you're mad.
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Thats not necessarily DUE to the single parent factor though. It may well be due to the fact that theres a strong correlation between being a single parent and being from the worst areas and the worst economic circumstances, and its THAT that has some of the results you describe. You'd have to eliminate other variables to assess whether it was purely being from a one parent home that had negative consequences
Excellent point.
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(Original post by Speleo)
It's no secret that people with low intelligence are more likely to fail in school, but we're not stopping stupid people having kids.
Single parent children (well, daughters with single mothers) are also more likely to have sex earlier, to have unsafe sex, and to have teen pregnancies than children with both parents. It's not just school. But you have a point.

As to the whole 'should they be allowed to adopt' I think not.

It's clearly, ahem, not meant to be.

And using single parent families as an argument doesn't really hold weight. Studies have shown that a single parent family isn't the best environment to raise a child in - but what are you going to do? Take the kid away from its mother/father? Force the parents back together?
It's just how it turned out. You can't change it.

Adoption is different. Where there is adoption, there are choices. In situations with adoption, where the best possible environment can be ensured for the child, a heterosexual couple should be favoured over homosexual as tried and tested (plus, what if they're both barren? they have less chance than homosexuals of reproducing) for the same reasons as a wealthy couple should be favoured over a poor.

The best possible place for the child should be found, financially, socially - and a child with both sex parents is more likely to grow up socially and mentally better adjusted.

Where there are willing heterosexual adoption parents, gays should be overlooked. However, there is one area I am not sure of. The situation older children in foster care are in. Foster care can be fairly damaging (but not always), and a stable home with gay parents is probably better than at least some foster care situations.

I know a kid whose mother was in a same-sex relationship with another woman. He didn't seem too bothered, but then, he could still see his father. And there are the problems of role-models and - someone's probably already mentioned this. I won't go on.
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It's clearly, ahem, not meant to be ... In situations with adoption, where the best possible environment can be ensured for the child, a heterosexual couple should be favoured over homosexual as tried and tested (plus, what if they're both barren? they have less chance than homosexuals of reproducing) for the same reasons as a wealthy couple should be favoured over a poor.
Surely you are contradicting yourself here? If they are both barren then it is (to borrow a phrase) "clearly, ahem, not meant to be".
There are more children in care than willing heterosexual couples, so, while a heterosexual couple MAY be preferable, it is not a choice between heterosexual and homosexual, but between homosexual and care, that is being addressed.

(Original post by milady)
The best possible place for the child should be found, financially, socially - and a child with both sex parents is more likely to grow up socially and mentally better adjusted.
This is simply not true. Evidence has been provided to show that lesbian parents have no affect whatsoever on the mental state of their children.

(Original post by milady)
Where there are willing heterosexual adoption parents, gays should be overlooked. However, there is one area I am not sure of. The situation older children in foster care are in. Foster care can be fairly damaging (but not always), and a stable home with gay parents is probably better than at least some foster care situations.
OK, sorry, I didn't get here before I wrote the previous response...
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It's clearly, ahem, not meant to be.
Why? Who drew that arbitrary line?

Studies have shown that a single parent family isn't the best environment to raise a child in
In what way? Or could this be due to other variables? Read naivesincerity's response:

Thats not necessarily DUE to the single parent factor though. It may well be due to the fact that theres a strong correlation between being a single parent and being from the worst areas and the worst economic circumstances, and its THAT that has some of the results you describe. You'd have to eliminate other variables to assess whether it was purely being from a one parent home that had negative consequences.
Evidence has been provided to show that lesbian parents have no affect whatsoever on the mental state of their children.
Not only that but lesbian parents tend to raise less aggressive, more caring and studious sons - and as such, by milady's logic, they should be given precedence over hetrosexual or gay male couples in adopting sons.
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Actually the swastika was invented by the hindus and is a symbol of peace. That scumbag Hitler hijacked it, if we continue to see the swastika as a symbol of NAZIs then Hitler has won another battle. I am a firm beliver in freedom of speech and expression so I dont think we should ban her. But I would like to know what she hopes to gain by being a member of the N9S? Does she really think National Socialism can get elected in any form?
Can I ask what you hope to gain by doing the same thing? :rolleyes:
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its a possibility
'Eugenics' is the precise term which springs to mind.

Stigma, anyone? :rolleyes:
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I think homosexual couples should have the same rights as heterosexual couples, including the right to adopt. In my opinion the only difference is that one couple is the same sex so if they love each other and will care for and love the child then what's the problem?
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yes, love. but when they adopt, they are changing the childs life. FOREVER. think about it. "What does your mother work in Jacob?" "I don't have amom, I have two dads" I mean.. really. yes they should have all the same rights but ..affecting another persons life. thats just too much. its morally wrong. they are just..raising more homo kids. then thatll lead to a new kind of society.
Adam and Eve. not Adam and Harold. not Eve and Wilma. ADAM AND EVE. a stroy like that was made to explain a little more than the beginning of humanity.
so no, homosexuals cant adopt children.
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Just to be clear, my personal view
The ideal situation for a kid is to have a mother and a father. And as such a man and woman should have first priority for children, but I think a child would be better with 2 gays than in a foster home. But I think them growing up thinking being gay is normal, IS a problem.

On an off note, I just noticed the nazi lara2005 has been banned, is it temporary? when did it happen? what did she do? because I thought her overtly offensive views were so over the top they actually made TSR a lot less boring.
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(Original post by OpaL kOboI)
yes, love. but when they adopt, they are changing the childs life. FOREVER. think about it. "What does your mother work in Jacob?" "I don't have amom, I have two dads"
There are not enough straight couples adopting. Think about it: "What does your mother work in, Jacob?" "I don't have a mum, or a dad."

I know which I'd prefer to be saying :rolleyes:

Zarathustra.
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But I think them growing up thinking being gay is normal, IS a problem.
Oh please; not this same, stale dogma, again.
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(Original post by OpaL kOboI)
yes, love. but when they adopt, they are changing the childs life. FOREVER. think about it. "What does your mother work in Jacob?" "I don't have amom, I have two dads" I mean.. really. yes they should have all the same rights but ..affecting another persons life. thats just too much. its morally wrong. they are just..raising more homo kids. then thatll lead to a new kind of society.
Adam and Eve. not Adam and Harold. not Eve and Wilma. ADAM AND EVE. a stroy like that was made to explain a little more than the beginning of humanity.
so no, homosexuals cant adopt children.
Although arguments like "GAWD MADE ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE" are undoubtedly compelling, I tend err on the side of biology. Call me a pedant, but empirical evidence is somewhat important for me in such a debate.
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There are not enough straight couples adopting. Think about it: "What does your mother work in, Jacob?" "I don't have a mum, or a dad."

I know which I'd prefer to be saying :rolleyes:

Zarathustra.
Unfortunately both these hypothetical tributaries nevertheless draw to a common confluence, wherein the boy 'Jacob' finds himself unceremoniously beaten to a pulp by his peers, for having a "gay" name.

Kids can be so cruel. :rolleyes:
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(Original post by OpaL kOboI)
I have two dads" I mean.. really. yes they should have all the same rights but ..affecting another persons life. thats just too much. its morally wrong. they are just..raising more homo kids.
Morally wrong? Who says you? I think abortion is morally wrong but plenty of them happen each year. Wouldn't surprise me if you didn't see abortion being immoral yourself.

(Original post by OpaL kOboI)
Adam and Eve. not Adam and Harold. not Eve and Wilma. ADAM AND EVE. a stroy like that was made to explain a little more than the beginning of humanity.
so no, homosexuals cant adopt children.
Excellent work there. I've found an excuse to have sex with my sister, boy she's hot. :rolleyes:
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(Original post by OpaL kOboI)
I mean.. really. yes they should have all the same rights but ..affecting another persons life. thats just too much. its morally wrong. they are just..raising more homo kids. then thatll lead to a new kind of society.
Adam and Eve. not Adam and Harold. not Eve and Wilma. ADAM AND EVE. a stroy like that was made to explain a little more than the beginning of humanity.
Children of homosexuals are not necessarily gay. What makes you think that? It's like arguing that children of straight people are always straight (which is quite clearly false).
You also fail to recognise that society needs to change.

The story of Adam and Eve explains nothing more than the inability of two people of the same sex to have children together. It contains no moral judgement (just a physical reality), even if you assume that it is true and did not just emerge from prejudices like yours.
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argh....look. If a kid is raised by thiefs, he'll obviously get the habit of stealing, therefore, he'll be a thief himself. If he's raised with politicians, h'ell mopst probably get into politics like his parents. If he's with all girls and his dad is usually away on biznis, he'll start to get feminine tastes, how can he be a boy when he's surrounded by a girly environment? If he's with gays, how can he be a straight if his parents are always cooing to eachother, or kissing, etc. you see? the child gets the habits and ways that his parents have. He grows up around theft, politics, girls, or gays. It'll be really hard to go a different path from what his parents took.
At school. Do you think that at school the kids are gonna play with him as if he were a kid with straight parents? kids are so mean these days. the children at school are gonna notice that he IS different, not if he's gay or not, but because his parents are. Its supposed to be man and wife. Mr. and Mrs. Lady and gentleman.
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argh....look. If a kid is raised by thiefs, he'll obviously get the habit of stealing, therefore, he'll be a thief himself. If he's raised with politicians, h'ell mopst probably get into politics like his parents. If he's with all girls and his dad is usually away on biznis, he'll start to get feminine tastes, how can he be a boy when he's surrounded by a girly environment? If he's with gays, how can he be a straight if his parents are always cooing to eachother, or kissing, etc. you see?
Quite. Moreover, how might he entertain the merest hope of remaining white in lieu of an upbringing by black parents; or unfreckled, where his contemporaries are predominantly inclined to the contrary? I for one have had the comparative misfortune of being steered through my adolescent years by a single mother: am I, now, a woman?

I think it patently clear that your argument is specious, and predicated on facile assumptions regarding the nature of homosexuality. Please, try again; or, better yet, don't.
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Quite. Moreover, how might he entertain the merest hope of remaining white in lieu of an upbringing by black parents; or unfreckled, where his contemporaries are predominantly inclined to the contrary? I for one have had the comparative misfortune of being steered through my adolescent years by a single mother: am I, now, a woman?

I think it patently clear that your argument is specious, and predicated on facile assumptions regarding the nature of homosexuality. Please, try again; or, better yet, don't.
I would give you pos rep, but I've used mine up for today. Nonetheless, excellent post, Pro.
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Its supposed to be man and wife. Mr. and Mrs.
Do you agree with divorce?
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