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ketones in urine

I did a urine test today cause ive been feeling anxious, weak these last few days, well my mum told me to do one and show her the result after to proove theres nothing wrong cause shes a nurse and says im an hypochondriac. Anyway she said there was a trace of ketones and glucose present and otherwise im normal. She keeps saying dont mither her but im now concerned cause on the internet it says stuff like contact medical attention immediately if ketones are found and that its a toxin that can harm the body etc.
Does anyone know anything about this

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Reply 1
what did you do a urine test with? How did you check it?
Reply 2
viviki
what did you do a urine test with? How did you check it?


Not sure of its name its just like a stick test with different colour squares on which you pee on then match up to what the colours should be, my mum did the last bit.
Reply 3
if they were trace its probably nothing. Especially if you haven't been ill for very long. It can be an indication of diabetes I think but you can also get it in trace amount for a variety of reasons like general illness and sickness, bad diet, stress, fever so your mum prob doesn't think its that serious atm.

If you don't feel better in a week or so its prob a good plan to see a doctor but in the meantime your mum prob knows what shes talking about
Reply 4
If it concerns you that much just go and see a doctor.
Reply 5
viviki
if they were trace its probably nothing. Especially if you haven't been ill for very long. It can be an indication of diabetes I think but you can also get it in trace amount for a variety of reasons like general illness and sickness, bad diet, stress, fever so your mum prob doesn't think its that serious atm.

If you don't feel better in a week or so its prob a good plan to see a doctor but in the meantime your mum prob knows what shes talking about


Ok thanks :smile: To be honest Ive not been ill as in cold/flu for about 2 years which is unusual, just needed a second opinion from someone else who know about this stuff :p:
Reply 6
well I don't really know what I'm talking about but I had tests for diabetes blood and urine ages ago and looked up some of this stuff myself.
Reply 7
viviki
well I don't really know what I'm talking about but I had tests for diabetes blood and urine ages ago and looked up some of this stuff myself.


ok, well thanks anyway you know more than me :smile: I'l test again in a few days and see what happens.
i am a diabetic - glucose in urine is really not good particularly if accompanied by ketones this means your body is incapable of utilising the high glucose conc so it starts burning body fat - you should consequently be tired/weak/losing wieght rapidly. if any of these apply go see a doctor. also r u constantly thirsty - this ios body wanting to wash away extra glucose due to failure of insulin production to regulate its concentration - if this applies definitely see a doctor. if u leave it too ong it will be serious - i was on holiday when it started and could do nothing aboiut it - when i came back i saw a gp and was drinking like 14 litres of coke a day (ironically u want the fizzy sweet drinks) and also my blood sugar was four times normal. my advice - see a gp even if u r uncertain
Reply 9
Hmm its a bit strange, you shouldn't be getting glucose AND ketones in your urine, the body goes into ketosis when there is insufficient carbohydrates/glucose in the blood, so to get traces of both is a bit strange.

I'd see a doctor..
no high sugar cant be utilised and so body puts it out in urine and then burns fat and ketones (product) will also be present in urine
Reply 11
you get ketones when youre on atkins and your body converts to burning fat fir energy... so maybe a risk of a problem with your insulin but if your mum isnt worried and she's relatively professional then neither should you. and there must be a reason why she thinks you're a hypochondriac.. so stop worrying!!
Reply 12
Your body is always burning fat for energy, on atkins your body uses ketones for energy, hence excess ketones being excreted in urine.
Reply 13
no it doesnt... i cant remember exactly because i read the book like 2 years ago but the body usually burns carbs and when it stops because there are no carbs available it burns body fat... i mayb be wrong but on atkins your body definitely doesnt burn ketones for energy, ketones are just some kindof break down enzyme like insulin
ketones r the product when fat burns
Reply 15
Narb is mostly right on this one - we do normally use fats as well as glucose for energy (in fact muscle tissue respires fats preferentially). However, your brain can ONLY respire glucose.

If you stop eating carbs on Atkins, or if you are diabetic so you have high blood glucose but are unable to take any of it up into cells (because you're not making insulin) then your brain needs an alternative source to glucose. Initially you make it by muscle breakdown and using certain amino acids to make glucose, but over a few weeks you start to turn on the enzymes that make ketones from fats (rather than just acetyl CoA which is what normal cells use but brain cells can't) - hence these are found in the blood and therefore urine. The brain gradually switches over to ketone metabolism as an alternative to glucose. However, because ketones are volatile and acidic, this is gradually poisonous and can't be sustained for long periods of time.
Reply 16
ooo thake for medical information! does that mean atkins is really dangerous? was on it for a few weeks and lost loads of weight, but i defo felt healthier too...
Reply 17
Helenia
Narb is mostly right on this one - we do normally use fats as well as glucose for energy (in fact muscle tissue respires fats preferentially). However, your brain can ONLY respire glucose.

If you stop eating carbs on Atkins, or if you are diabetic so you have high blood glucose but are unable to take any of it up into cells (because you're not making insulin) then your brain needs an alternative source to glucose. Initially you make it by muscle breakdown and using certain amino acids to make glucose, but over a few weeks you start to turn on the enzymes that make ketones from fats (rather than just acetyl CoA which is what normal cells use but brain cells can't) - hence these are found in the blood and therefore urine. The brain gradually switches over to ketone metabolism as an alternative to glucose. However, because ketones are volatile and acidic, this is gradually poisonous and can't be sustained for long periods of time.
I was just going to use this as an opportunity to go over some of the MIMS from mich...but now you went and ruined it all!

:p:
Reply 18
fruitcake
no it doesnt... i cant remember exactly because i read the book like 2 years ago but the body usually burns carbs and when it stops because there are no carbs available it burns body fat... i mayb be wrong but on atkins your body definitely doesnt burn ketones for energy, ketones are just some kindof break down enzyme like insulin


I can't begin to explain how wrong you are, at rest most people will get 100%(yes, 100%) of there energy from fat, as heart-rate increases more and more energy is used from glycogen until eventually(max heart-rate) you burn 100% carbs for energy.

During the absence of carbohydrates, your body adjusts to using ketones for energy. End of.
Reply 19
imasillynarb
I can't begin to explain how wrong you are, at rest most people will get 100%(yes, 100%) of there energy from fat, as heart-rate increases more and more energy is used from glycogen until eventually(max heart-rate) you burn 100% carbs for energy.

During the absence of carbohydrates, your body adjusts to using ketones for energy. End of.


Apart from the brain, which ONLY respires glucose. So not quite 100% :wink:

Visesh, sorry for upsetting your MIMS revision :p:

And no, I wouldn't go near Atkins.