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I imagine for even basic computer games you'd need to aware of things like complex numbers, matrices, etc were you to actually program them. Not sure how much of this comes into the course.
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HAHAHA! It's "snobbish" to look down on "Film Studies" is it now? Oh deary, deary me. A sad, sad day for society indeed.
snob ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snb)
n.

One who affects an offensive air of self-satisfied superiority in matters of taste or intellect.
To look down on anyone or anything is snobbish - that is the definition of the word.
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snob ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snb)
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One who affects an offensive air of self-satisfied superiority in matters of taste or intellect.
Wow. That describes Tek perfectly.
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Why is a degree from an ex-poly worthless? Granted, it probably isn't worth as much as a degree from a more traditional Uni, but that does't make it worthless.

And why should we only study traditional subjects at Uni? The world is changing all the time, why shouldn't we move with it?
for that reason - its worth less = its worthless (ideally all degrees should be worth the same, if not then whats the point in doing something with the same amount of the work, but less of the value)

i guess im just kinda stuck in old ways, but i do think that some things need to be kept traditional - its important to me for some reason. even with modern life, we need to keep doing things the old ways, i think education is like this (well, degree level anyway).

i mean, we can have some adaptation but no total changes.
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So because I am not studying a traditional subject even though I need a degree for my job I have no right to be at university despite working so damn hard to get there.

So of course nobody needs to know complex web programming which is to in depth to be taught at FE colleges as nobody uses forums like this.
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for that reason - its worth less = its worthless (ideally all degrees should be worth the same, if not then whats the point in doing something with the same amount of the work, but less of the value)

i guess im just kinda stuck in old ways, but i do think that some things need to be kept traditional - its important to me for some reason. even with modern life, we need to keep doing things the old ways, i think education is like this (well, degree level anyway).

i mean, we can have some adaptation but no total changes.
Usually, when people say worthless, I interpret that as being worth nothing, when obviously most degrees will at least be worth something

I think some of the difference in the worth is down to snobbery, maybe some of it is actually down to the quality of the course, I don't know. I'm not an expert on the differences to be honest.
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ffffucccckkk

Computer games design is actually as hard as neclear physics. If you know what was involved you would realise this. Creating computer games is basicaly all about physics, you have to understand how gravity works and everything. I mad a simple frogger game once and it took me days to figure out the physics/ Making modern computer games is probably about the hardest thing you can do in modern computing. It requires so much programming knowledge as well such as c++, directx etc. Computer games course are not about making fancy graphics or coming up with ideas.
ffffucccckkk?

im not sure that computer games design IS as hard as nuclear physics, but im sure its pretty damn hard. but dont think that because i say something like 'we shouldnt have computer game design degrees' means that im making random assumptions about things i have no clue about. really, why would you need physics for frogger (this is the game with the frog getting across a road to a lilypad right?) - the concept seems pretty simple to me (yes i realise programming would be a bit harder) - no real physics involved at all.

but yeh, i know its hard; i couldnt think where to begin writing about gravity? or collisions or things? but i dont think you need a degree to learn this kinda stuff. a comp sci degree should give you a good starting point, from which you can think a bit, and develop ideas. perhaps you could even take some modules in computational physics or something?
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So because I am not studying a traditional subject even though I need a degree for my job I have no right to be at university despite working so damn hard to get there.

So of course nobody needs to know complex web programming which is to in depth to be taught at FE colleges as nobody uses forums like this.
hi again.

look, you keep missing the point (just like those ******s that spaz about topup fees 'OH NO POOR PEOPLE WONT BE ABLE TO GO TO UNI I WONT HAVE MONEY TO PAY THESE FEES THE TAXPAYER SHOULD DO IT EVEN THO ITS MY EDUKASHUN WOE IS ME').

get a grip and read what im saying PROPERLY.

whatever youre doing, although it probably shouldnt be a degree SHOULD be respected by employers (for it is still worthwhile). in any case, you seem like a clever dude (most of the time) so why didnt you do compsci?
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I totally agree, traditional subjects are waaay to broad. You take degrees if you want to specialise in something and its usualy the ones that are specialised that are better wat what they do. Taking a degree in Physics may teach you the theory of what programming is...but actually doing the degree in programming is a lot harder, and the one doing the degree in programming is obviously going to know better about it!!!
Its a little like medicine.....you can't do the whoole thing..u have to speicalise in bits (ie. teeth, brain..etc).
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Usually, when people say worthless, I interpret that as being worth nothing, when obviously most degrees will at least be worth something

I think some of the difference in the worth is down to snobbery, maybe some of it is actually down to the quality of the course, I don't know. I'm not an expert on the differences to be honest.
hehe yeh i know, its just that these degrees are worthless. some poor sod getting a first in maths from oxford brookes will have a much harder time getting a job at a large investment bank in the City that someone from oxford.

so yeh, i guess it is snobbery - again, perhaps derived from the quality of the course. there has to be a reason...
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hi again.

look, you keep missing the point (just like those ******s that spaz about topup fees 'OH NO POOR PEOPLE WONT BE ABLE TO GO TO UNI I WONT HAVE MONEY TO PAY THESE FEES THE TAXPAYER SHOULD DO IT EVEN THO ITS MY EDUKASHUN WOE IS ME').

get a grip and read what im saying PROPERLY.

whatever youre doing, although it probably shouldnt be a degree SHOULD be respected by employers (for it is still worthwhile). in any case, you seem like a clever dude (most of the time) so why didnt you do compsci?
Sorry I just get fed up of people ****ging of things they don't understand. I just got a bit heated so I am sorry about that.

I did get an offer to do computer science but they wanted to me to an A level maths module as apart of the course but I hate maths so much I knew I would not enjoy it and maybe drop out. The course I am doing is a bit more vocational and I am generaly one of the best on the course. I will be able to write good c++ programs when I leave etc.

I have gained a lot of confidence on the course and I am considering doing a masters in computing part time once I have got a job.
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hehe yeh i know, its just that these degrees are worthless. some poor sod getting a first in maths from oxford brookes will have a much harder time getting a job at a large investment bank in the City that someone from oxford.

so yeh, i guess it is snobbery - again, perhaps derived from the quality of the course. there has to be a reason...
Yeah but I am sure the Oxford Brookes student can still get a good job with his Maths degee.

If you want to look at more useless courses is a good place to start.

http://www.bolton.ac.uk/courses/cour...ss&mode=single

and I wouldn't really call that course useless.
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hehe yeh i know, its just that these degrees are worthless. some poor sod getting a first in maths from oxford brookes will have a much harder time getting a job at a large investment bank in the City that someone from oxford.

so yeh, i guess it is snobbery - again, perhaps derived from the quality of the course. there has to be a reason...
Just because he will have a lot harder time of things doesn't it worthless though, if that's what you're trying to say. :confused:

Anybody who can get a first in Maths must have some kind of intelligence. It may not lead straight to well paid job in the city, but it's still an advantage to have it.
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Yeah but I am sure the Oxford Brookes student can still get a good job with his Maths degee.

If you want to look at more useless courses is a good place to start.

http://www.bolton.ac.uk/courses/cour...ss&mode=single

and I wouldn't really call that course useless.
what course/
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what course/
Its some business course. Sorry I was taking the piss a little. I am sure the course is perfectly good I just have a very bad image of Bolton which is probably unfair.
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Sorry I just get fed up of people ****ging of things they don't understand. I just got a bit heated so I am sorry about that.

I did get an offer to do computer science but they wanted to me to an A level maths module as apart of the course but I hate maths so much I knew I would not enjoy it and maybe drop out. The course I am doing is a bit more vocational and I am generaly one of the best on the course. I will be able to write good c++ programs when I leave etc.

I have gained a lot of confidence on the course and I am considering doing a masters in computing part time once I have got a job.
Hey, I totally understand how you feel. I'm quite ambivalent about the whole issue so nothing really affects me here, but reading the thread, lots of emotions are high strung.

That said, I do think it's mean to classify subjects as 'mickey mouse'. Some people's talents lie in other fields! For example, I'm hopeless at Art, Music, Drama and the likes! But I'm taking 5 'proper' subjects.

Anyways, hope no one gets offended by anything said here. It's quite depressing.. take care all!
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I have to say, I do believe a few A levels out there to be 'easier' than others. I know a lot of you won't like to hear this, but I do believe an A in maths or a science is harder to accomplish than an A in sociology or RE. OK - granted, a lot of you don't like the science/maths subjects and chose to take subjects outside of these areas, and I respect that. But, I do not agree with the statement that 'All A-levels are the same' - that is just not true. Case in point, do you deem an A in RE to be equal to an A in physics or maths? This may sound harsh, but I don't.

Before you start having a go, I myself do an 'artsy' subject - English Lit, so I do a fair share of essays and maths (my other subjects are Maths and Economics). But, I have to say that, from experience, and just by looking at the ppl in my year, there is FAR more work involved in gaining higher grades in a subject like maths than there is in a subject like RE or sociology. Many a time have I witnessed ppl stressing over the likes of P3 (myself included) whilst the sociology/RE ppl seem very relaxed.

Now, this isn't an attack on RE/sociology, but I've spoken to a few ppl who do (or did) maths and sociology, and the general consensus among them is that maths IS harder than sociology/RE. I quote one of these people, 'Seriously, RE/sociology is pretty simple - it's interesting, but nowhere near as difficult as maths. I'm so glad I dropped maths.' And these were people that had got As and A*s at maths GCSE. My English teacher summed it pretty well when she said 'The key to English is knowing how to ********, and how to do it well' and I agree. With maths, however, there is no scope for ******** - you're either right or wrong, and for this reason a lot of ppl either love or hate maths.

So, to conclude, this is just my view on the debate. Whenever I hear someone got 4As at AS, I always ask what subjects they took, and I'm not surprised when I hear RE/sociology/english and theology come up, and I'm equally not surprised when I hear a lot of others getting Bs and Cs in maths and sciences (and these ppl aren't dumb; they work hard). I'm not attacking the likes of RE or sociology, but, if you look at the syllabuses of both subjects and the general attainment of grades, I don't see how you can consider an A in all subjects to be the same.
Obviously an A in any A level is to be applauded, and I realise ppl's strengths lie in different areas, but I think some As are harder to attain than others - and in this sense, I think, yes - there are some A levels that are easier than others.
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Most people probably would find maths harder than the arty subjetcs- although I'm sure that there's others that would fins it the other way round.

And just because some subjects may be "easier" than the others, that doesn't mean that they're really simple and that any idiot can get an A.

The attitude that anybody who takes media studies is an idiot really pisses me off.
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Isn't learning all about enjoyment???? Who cares how hard an A'Level is, if you enjoy something it should not matter!?!!
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What about economics? I think studying economics has made me quite aware of many of the systems in this world. Made me alot more analytical. Made me able to write a basic essay. And has served me well. But I'd say doing well in economics is not hard if you devote the time to it (he says, looking at a C/D). If you just learn the basic theories, learn the definitions, and write discursively, you'll probably get a score in the 90s. Not as hard as Math, or physics.

Also, computing, anybody who's had a PC in the house for a few years and is familiar with it can get an A in computing with their eyes closed, but it seems to be classed far higher than IT, and even some of the humanities.
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