McGill and Toronto - any opinions vs UK?

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I am applying to McGill and Toronto.
Some facts and ideas:
Fees at McGill (for me) is around £1000 a year, Toronto is around £5000.
I already have a few course credits (APs IB etc) so the courses should last around 3 years.
I visited both, briefly, and impression is that they are huge, with all the facilities of big campuses. Both are in the heart of the city, but lucky enough to be fiarly contained, so there probably is a good campus atmosphere. Class sizes seem large though (but larger than the UK... I'm not so sure). The teachers are probably better paid and more motivated than in the UK (there are sites which rate the professors for each course... maybe it would seem incredible for English students to actually tke their education seriously!!!). The year is longer... 1 Sep to end June. And fuller - more work to be done, it seems to me. But it seems to be more straightforward, fewer essays, more multiple choice. One of the key differences with the UK is that you don't specify a subject, so I can fish around and see what I like, before choosing a major.

Anyone got any opinions vs UK unis like York and Nottingham? Anyone heard of VicOne at Toronto...? I've got a slight preference for Toronto but it is much dearer. Thanks
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I am applying to McGill and Toronto.
Some facts and ideas:
Fees at McGill (for me) is around £1000 a year, Toronto is around £5000.
I already have a few course credits (APs IB etc) so the courses should last around 3 years.
I visited both, briefly, and impression is that they are huge, with all the facilities of big campuses. Both are in the heart of the city, but lucky enough to be fiarly contained, so there probably is a good campus atmosphere. Class sizes seem large though (but larger than the UK... I'm not so sure). The teachers are probably better paid and more motivated than in the UK (there are sites which rate the professors for each course... maybe it would seem incredible for English students to actually tke their education seriously!!!). The year is longer... 1 Sep to end June. And fuller - more work to be done, it seems to me. But it seems to be more straightforward, fewer essays, more multiple choice. One of the key differences with the UK is that you don't specify a subject, so I can fish around and see what I like, before choosing a major.

Anyone got any opinions vs UK unis like York and Nottingham? Anyone heard of VicOne at Toronto...? I've got a slight preference for Toronto but it is much dearer. Thanks

My Uni offers study abroad in the second year, and I applied for Toronto. The idea of living and studying in the most ethnically diverse city in the world appealed to me a great deal, and its an excellent Uni too. In the UK York is a good Uni, but Nottingham has a reputation for Oxbridge rejects. Both are highly academic though.

I don't suppose you are considering UBC? I applied there too.
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OH MY GOD please dont stress me out... I wanted to apply to McGill but didnt because of the fees in Canada! How can you only pay a 1000 pounds per year????
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I am applying to McGill and Toronto.
Some facts and ideas:
Fees at McGill (for me) is around £1000 a year, Toronto is around £5000.
I already have a few course credits (APs IB etc) so the courses should last around 3 years.
I visited both, briefly, and impression is that they are huge, with all the facilities of big campuses. Both are in the heart of the city, but lucky enough to be fiarly contained, so there probably is a good campus atmosphere. Class sizes seem large though (but larger than the UK... I'm not so sure). The teachers are probably better paid and more motivated than in the UK (there are sites which rate the professors for each course... maybe it would seem incredible for English students to actually tke their education seriously!!!). The year is longer... 1 Sep to end June. And fuller - more work to be done, it seems to me. But it seems to be more straightforward, fewer essays, more multiple choice. One of the key differences with the UK is that you don't specify a subject, so I can fish around and see what I like, before choosing a major.

Anyone got any opinions vs UK unis like York and Nottingham? Anyone heard of VicOne at Toronto...? I've got a slight preference for Toronto but it is much dearer. Thanks
definetly go for McGill, far better worldwide rep than Toronto although toronto does seem like a better city than montreal(?)
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How can you only pay a 1000 pounds per year????
Some European nationalities (French speaking etc) get preferential treatment!
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definetly go for McGill, far better worldwide rep than Toronto although toronto does seem like a better city than montreal(?)
Actually I thought the cotnrary was true. Tornotno seemed a bit aspish and stuck-up. Montreal, because of the clash of cultures maybe, seemed more vibrant. Toronto's reputation is part derived from its huge size (40k+ students) which means it has to have great teachers in every area. Classe sizes seem larger in McGill.
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Some European nationalities (French speaking etc) get preferential treatment!
OOOHHHH *annoyed* stupid racists ;-(((( :mad:
I was really into going there but I couldnt seem to be preferred by anyone buhuhuhu
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I'm a demi-canadian and I was actually going to go to Macgill, I would have had free tution etc though because one of my ancestors built something there and it's named after him (probably Stotesbury) and my cousin already goes for free, the UK I feel is better though. It's warmer for one
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I'm a demi-canadian and I was actually going to go to Macgill, I would have had free tution etc though because one of my ancestors built something there and it's named after him (probably Stotesbury) and my cousin already goes for free, the UK I feel is better though. It's warmer for one
jesus...that's quite a thing to turn down..
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jesus...that's quite a thing to turn down..
Yep, i know where i would have chosen!
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jesus...that's quite a thing to turn down..
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Fees at McGill (for me) is around £1000 a year, Toronto is around £5000. I already have a few course credits (APs IB etc) so the courses should last around 3 years.

Anyone got any opinions vs UK unis like York and Nottingham? Anyone heard of VicOne at Toronto...? I've got a slight preference for Toronto but it is much dearer. Thanks
I would say the two universities to go to in Canada are McGill and Montréal, and no worse than Nottingham or York. Indeed, were it me, I of the four, I would choose Montréal for the francophone experience.

From your perspective, I really see no cogent reason to choose Toronto over McGill. Academically, the latter has a better reputation, and, given the huge fee difference (why is there so great a difference), I'd definitely choose McGill.
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I am applying to McGill and Toronto.
Some facts and ideas:
Fees at McGill (for me) is around £1000 a year, Toronto is around £5000.
i think its awful that the first thing you have to think about is fees......all of my cozins from usa & canada always have the same problem....and guess what uk students....once mr blair gets his way...variable top up fees will mean we will be talking in the same terms!
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I want to do a year in Canada as part of my degree, and was thinking of Calgary or Uni of British Columbia (in Vancouver). It's still a year and a half off yet, but I hadn't given much of a thought to costs yet, it'll be this time next year when I have to start thinking about it. But hopefully, i'll get to go, as my parents have said its too good an opportunity to miss, and they'll help pay for it as I won;t get the chance again.

Out of interest, do you know anything about the uni's in Calgary or B.C? I know about the cities, as I've been to both, but i haven;t seen either uni...
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I thinking of applying to Simon Fraser for my thid year abroad, and I'm wondering - who knows anything about it?
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I thinking of applying to Simon Fraser for my thid year abroad, and I'm wondering - who knows anything about it?
I only know it was ranked 1 in the last mcleans ranking.
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I only know it was ranked 1 in the last mcleans ranking.
Actually Toronto, not Simon Fraser, has been consistenly ranked 1 and still is... (in the doctoral category - the most importna I think)... "Building on 150 years of fostering excellence, Canada's premier research powerhouse University of Toronto continues to reshape itself as it makes way for a new generation of undergraduates" (and those numbers are rising sharply...!
http://www.macleans.ca/universities/...06_133132_3296

Radagasty, what evidence do you have to say McGill better?
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I want to do a year in Canada as part of my degree, and was thinking of Calgary or Uni of British Columbia (in Vancouver). It's still a year and a half off yet, but I hadn't given much of a thought to costs yet, it'll be this time next year when I have to start thinking about it. But hopefully, i'll get to go, as my parents have said its too good an opportunity to miss, and they'll help pay for it as I won;t get the chance again.

Out of interest, do you know anything about the uni's in Calgary or B.C? I know about the cities, as I've been to both, but i haven;t seen either uni...
I've heard a lot of good things about UBC
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I've heard a lot of good things about UBC
Hmmm I think I am swaying more towards Calgary though, I have relatives there (I also have relatives in Vancouver, but they live on the island, and are all great aunts etc whereas the ones in Calgary are nearer my age) and the city is quite a bit smaller (which I prefer) and I feel safer there. Plus it is much nearer the Rockies and the places in the Rockies that I love (Banff in particular). I do want to do a bit of travelling whilst I'm there though, particularly to Eastern Canada as I have never been there...
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Actually Toronto, not Simon Fraser, has been consistenly ranked 1 and still is... (in the doctoral category - the most importna I think)... "Building on 150 years of fostering excellence, Canada's premier research powerhouse University of Toronto continues to reshape itself as it makes way for a new generation of undergraduates" (and those numbers are rising sharply...!
http://www.macleans.ca/universities/...06_133132_3296

Radagasty, what evidence do you have to say McGill better?
You refer to doctoral category (i.e. a university that has a faculty for medicine etc.) saying that Toronto, not Simon Fraser has been consistently ranked no 1. That's a little disengenuous isn't it, considering Simon Fraser does not even come into that category (being in the comprehensive category)!!! Therefore it would be impossible, would it not, for Simon Fraser to be ranked anywhere in that table?

I am referring also to Macleans university rankings.
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