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    (Original post by Stikatoo)
    Fair enough but why load the questions in the way you unsuccessfully tried to do [well to some extent]?
    Bluelight is so predictable its unreal. This is what he/she wants.....

    If you had a chance to kick alll ethnic minorities out of the country regardless of their social and employment standing out of the country , would you?

    Yes

    Do you honestly consider yourself racist or not?

    Yes, I hate coons.[/B]

    What are you attitudes towars British homosexuals?

    Perverts. Should be locked up and kept well away from children.


    Corporal punishment in America has failed to to deter criminals, what would make a diference over here?

    String'em up.....it's the only language some people understand.

    How would you tackle the problem of the rising "chav" culture?

    Six years national service.

    What is your stance on people who are mixed race and have English blood, do they have rights?

    No. They are halfbreeds so not pure enough to have any rights.

    There.....was that sufficiently titilating? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Bluelight is so predictable its unreal. This is what he/she wants.....

    If you had a chance to kick alll ethnic minorities out of the country regardless of their social and employment standing out of the country , would you?

    Yes

    Do you honestly consider yourself racist or not?

    Yes, I hate coons.[/B]

    What are you attitudes towars British homosexuals?

    Perverts. Should be locked up and kept well away from children.


    Corporal punishment in America has failed to to deter criminals, what would make a diference over here?

    String'em up.....it's the only language some people understand.

    How would you tackle the problem of the rising "chav" culture?

    Six years national service.

    What is your stance on people who are mixed race and have English blood, do they have rights?

    No. They are halfbreeds so not pure enough to have any rights.

    There.....was that sufficiently titilating? :rolleyes:
    HAHA lol, yea maybe i was a little leading in my questions, i just want an honest answer thats all people are so goddamn defensive
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    (Original post by Bluelight)
    people are so goddamn defensive
    do I want to be banned unfairly?
    no

    Do I want to [albeit accidentally] give a negative impression of the BNP through poor choice of words?
    no

    Shall I answer your questions?
    no



    lol howard! :rofl: I was originally going to answer a little like that but being a member of a certain political group I have a feeling that the joke may be missed. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by p.stuart14)
    What?
    Exactly.
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    (Original post by Bluelight)
    Thank you Oink, honest straight forward answers.
    No problem, I new someone would make a OTT post, turns out to be Howard.
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    I am not a member of the B.N.P.; however I am a Tory so I will answer the questions below.

    "If conservatism in America has so far made little impact what makes you think it would be any more successful here?"

    On what evidence are you basing that conservatism has made little impact in the United States?

    "If you had a chance to kick all ethnic minorities out of the country regardless of their social and employment standing out of the country, would you?"

    Certainly not, however I would consider removing illegal immigrants and those who preach religious and racial intolerance e.g. Abu Hamza.


    "Do you honestly consider yourself racist or not?"


    This depends very much on how you define racism. If you mean racist in the sense of being intolerant of other races, the answer is no, however if you mean racist in terms of whether or not I consider there to be differences between racial groups, the answer is yes. I do not consider one race to be superior to another overall, however there are differences.

    "What are you attitudes towards British homosexuals?"

    I believe that homosexuality should be tolerated, however it should not 'celebrated' as an alternative lifestyle. Homosexuals should be able to have a relationship and live their lives without interference from the state.

    "Corporal punishment in America has failed to deter criminals, what would make a difference over here?"


    Again on what evidence are you basing that corporal punishment in United States has failed to deter criminals? In what sense is corporal punishment used in the United States? Do you mean the use of the belt to punish naughty pupils in school?

    "How would you tackle the problem of the rising "chav" culture?"

    I believe that this problem could be tackled in a number of ways. One way to tackle this problem would be to give more power to teachers in schools with respect to punishing pupils. It is ridiculous that a teacher cannot use physical force to defend him/herself against a violent pupil without running the risk of being sacked, sued, falsely accused of being a paedophile/sexual harasser or tarnished for life with respect to their teaching career. Harsher punishments are required for repeat offenders e.g. sending them to a young offenders institute for a longer period and toughening up the regime at such institutions. At present young offenders institutes bear more resemblance to a holiday camp than a centre for punishment and rehabilitation. There is also a social aspect to this problem. Many 'chavs' for want of a better term live in areas of social depravation with very little amenities or activities for them to partake of; as such they have little to do but hang around street corners causing a nuisance to law abiding citizens. Money should be directed at improving these 'ghettoes' e.g. better housing, more activity centres/sports facilities for the locals to use etc.

    "What is your stance on people who are mixed race and have English blood, do they have rights?"

    They have the same rights as any other British citizen. Why should they be treated any different?


    "Do you agree with the imposition of any Political correctness at all or should people be allowed to say whatever pops into their heads?"

    I believe that political correctness has gone too far e.g. calling Christmas lights festive lights to avoid offending Muslims. I believe most people are intelligent enough to determine what is offensive and what is not. We don't need the state to tell us.

    P.S. It is not racist to fly the flag of St George, it is discriminatory (against English men and women) to think otherwise.
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    (Original post by Bluelight)
    To BNP memebers, how/what would you do in the following situations?

    If conservatism in America has so far made little impact what makes you think it would be any more sucessful here?
    Conservatism has made little impact in America? What??
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    (Original post by oink)
    It would have been better if they had not been let in our country in the first place. Personally I would not chuck out every ethnic in Britain because it would do harm to our country, personally I would like to get rid of the working class ones via means of voluntary deportion with some cash but keep the doctors(and other skilled workers) in the short term while we train our own people.
    Better ??? If the "indigenous" population REALLY had skills enough that was needed in 50s & 60s, then the government wouldn't have called Blacks from Jamaica/Caribbean/West Indies OR Asians from Uganda :rolleyes:

    Course, you personally wouldn't chuck them out, but do you seriously think doctors & others skilled workers would fancy sticking around this country, UNTIL, you find their "replacement". Well, they've skill enough to be appreciated in other parts of the world & surely they'll make a move, WITHOUT waiting for you training "indigenous" :rolleyes:

    By the way, if you SERIOUSLY think "indigenous" people could be trained ENOUGH to replace these "foreigners" then, I wonder why can't I think of anyone stopping them to achieve the same skill/qualification, AT THE MOMENT :rolleyes: For example, what's stopping "indigenous" people gaining top GCSE & beat Chinese & Indian ???
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    (Original post by j4mes_bond25)
    By the way, if you SERIOUSLY think "indigenous" people could be trained ENOUGH to replace these "foreigners" then, I wonder why can't I think of anyone stopping them to achieve the same skill/qualification, AT THE MOMENT :rolleyes: For example, what's stopping "indigenous" people gaining top GCSE & beat Chinese & Indian ???
    Blatant racism.
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    (Original post by p.stuart14)
    Blatant racism.
    I'm yet to witness a single school/college/university who PENALISES "indigenous" people for scorring MORE marks than "foreigners" :rolleyes: Every one, regardless of their race, are offered with same resources & funds & supports. All they need in performing well is to ensure making the most out of their brain cells
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    (Original post by j4mes_bond25)
    Don't think I mentioned EVERY member of Labour party has a degree from Oxford now, did I ??? Sounds like your own assumption there, I'm afraid


    Patricia Hewitt: - Masters from Cambridge

    No you're wrong about Patricia Hewitt. She has a BA in Enlgish from Cambridge and TWO :eek: Masters degrees from Oxford. She is one clever woman.:eek:
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    (Original post by Rock 'n' Roll)
    No you're wrong about Patricia Hewitt. She has a BA in Enlgish from Cambridge and TWO :eek: Masters degrees from Oxford. She is one clever woman.:eek:
    No. She's an academic woman. In fact, she may not even be that. Masters degrees aren't exactly hard.
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    I almost forgot about this thread I started. Perhaps we could now discuss and debate the views of individuals, both BNP and non-BNP in relation to the Party Platform.
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    (Original post by SolInvincitus)
    I almost forgot about this thread I started. Perhaps we could now discuss and debate the views of individuals, both BNP and non-BNP in relation to the Party Platform.
    Could I ask why the BNP use the St.George flag when 1) St.George was born in Cappadocia (in eastern Asia Minor) 2) Muslims believe he was a Martyr for dying for monothiesm and many muslims see him as a muslim. There is a Mosque designated to St.George in Palestine...
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    (Original post by digitalparadox)
    Could I ask why the BNP use the St.George flag when 1) St.George was born in Cappadocia (in eastern Asia Minor) 2) Muslims believe he was a Martyr for dying for monothiesm and many muslims see him as a muslim. There is a Mosque designated to St.George in Palestine...
    Not all BNP members use the St.George flag - I doubt any Scots or Welsh BNP members would be seen dead flying it. The English BNP members use it because St George is the Patron St of England. (And Portugal and Georgia and many other places as a matter of fact)

    A better question would be why do the BNP not use the use any Union Flag more frequently?
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Not all BNP members use the St.George flag - I doubt any Scots or Welsh BNP members would be seen dead flying it. The English BNP members use it because St George is the Patron St of England. (And Portugal and Georgia and many other places as a matter of fact)

    A better question would be why do the BNP not use the use any Union Flag more frequently?
    We do, it's even in our symbol.(as you can see on my attachment, there are a lot of people waving the Union Jack, along with the St.George flag.
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    (Original post by happybob)
    We do, it's even in our symbol.(as you can see on my attachment, there are a lot of people waving the Union Jack, along with the St.George flag.
    So you do.
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    Whoever came up with the policy for the economy can't have known much about economics;

    Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour's statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes.
    Okay, let's just dissect this policy bit by bit shall we?

    Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers.
    Okay, so the BNP wants to give the British people who lost their jobs to *cheaper* labour elsewhere their jobs back, a noble endeavour indeed, but wait, why did these people lose there jobs? Oh, right, it's because it's cheaper to make those goods elsewhere! So, the BNP wants to solve employment by making these goods locally which would thus make them alot more expensive, thus essentially transferring the employment burden back to the British consumer who is forced to buy these goods due to the 'selective exclusion' of foriegn made goods.

    Oh yes, thats a wonderfully socialist policy. But, the basic principle of economics, supply and demand will almost certainly come into play here. These goods, if not essential inelastic goods, will have a drop in demand as people will be less willing and able to buy these home produced goods, and the cycle of life will continue where people will be layed off from their jobs because there is simply no demand for them. Oh, but i'm sure rigid labour laws will make sure that these poor workers aren't layed off and mr. inflation will come in alongside some lovely government handouts. Okay, onto the next part..

    When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labour's statistical fiddles.
    Okay, i've given most of the points against this in my previous paragraphs, but theres one glaring phrase I want to take a look at, the '4 million people' (of course with a nice militant 'hidden army' reference thrown in). So, who are these 4 million? well, the 2004 labour forcesurvey estimated that there were around 1.4 million people out of the job in Britain, so who are these mystery 3.6 million people? I can only assume that these figures have had housewives, the disabled, pensioners etc thrown in for good measure. Anyway, moving on..

    We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons.
    Love this part, all the land back to the people. Wonderful stuff, if your in soviet Russia circa 1917! Jesus, so all supposed 'foriegn' land owners will be ejected, simply ejected? That's interesting, I thought that the BNP wanted to Britons employed not export those jobs to other countries? Oh well, next order of business..

    We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes.
    This part I can sort of tolerate, but it's still far too radical to be part of my school of thought. I don't mind making sure monopolies don't *unfairly* out price or beat out smaller or newer businesses, in fact that's one of the few areas I feel the government should regulate, in making sure there is always fair competition and no one is making abnormal profits, but the way the policy is worded is just asinine. They say 'break up' like Tesco is somesort of unruly rabble (oh wait.. doesn't this remind you of..) and just sounds a bit too forceful for my tastes.

    Anyway, the way I see it, if the BNP were to ever gain power, Britain would isolate itself, produce a huge majority of it's own goods, the BNP government will likely fall short on it's employment promises and start drafting disgruntled unemployed Britons into the army, which will end up being unsustainable and all the wealth that Britain has accumilated over it's long history will be wasted on subsidising national industries which will barely be able to compete locally, let alone in the international market and Britain will become a relatively poor socialist state. Anyway, that's my two cents *yawn*
 
 
 
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