The Fabian society

I know they originally wanted to bring about socialism through gradual, democratic or 'evolutionary' steps rather than through revolution, but what was their overall aim? Was it a communist or social democratic society?

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Reply 1

Boudicea

They want to rule the whole world and shape it to the model they believe it should fit, regardless of whether it would be good or bad for the population.
A very dangerous organisation. NWO.

Reply 2

Ano1

All of the Labour party are part of the Fabian Society.

Another reason to never vote for them.

Reply 3

a729

Original post by chloeee!

It is dangerous it supported eugenics see Australia's lost generation with an apology by Kevin Rudd in 2008

Reply 4

L i b

I'm afraid all the previous replies have been of the slightly unhinged variety.

The Fabian Society contains many members of the Labour Party and is a fairly interesting think-tank. I don't think Fabians particularly share an 'end point' - some may be more overly socialistic, some are social democratic, there's certainly no communists in it to speak of. What they do share is the strategy of avoiding head-on conflict to bring about a gradual change to the left.

As for the other crap: the Jewish stuff mentioned about is simply rubbish; the point about eugenics, some Fabian Socialists supported eugenics in the early half of the 20th century. Then again, so did Winston Churchill, John Maynard Keynes, Theodore Roosevelt, Neville Chamberlain, the NHS's William Beveridge, the Kellogg's bloke and numerous others. It was a popular idea of its time, tainted now largely by its associations with Nazism.

Reply 5

Martyn*

Original post by L i b

But your reply is insufficient.

The Fabian Society, like all societies, have roots, and these roots are the fundamental principles of the society. Today the society still stand by its foundations, although it is regarded as a "think tank". But then so is the Tavistock Institute, who carried out various mind-control programmes, and may have connections with Adolf Hitler when he came to Britain.

The Fabian Society still has its share of Marxists (Ed Milliband being one of them), and the society is fundamentally of that character as many of its principles are shared by Marx. Moreover, put that besides the Australian Fabian Society, the founder is Rev Marson, a Christian Socialist, that is to say, a Marxist Socialist:

Many Christian socialists believe capitalism to be idolatrous and rooted in greed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Socialism

This is what G.D.H. Cole, leader of the Fabian Society wrote in 1941:

“both the social-democratic parties, Labour Party members and others in Europe and in the New World, and communism in Russia, or other minority groups elsewhere, since there is no difference in their objectives, only in their methods.”

It is Marxist Socialism.

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Reply 6

sugar-n-spice

I knew Martyn* would be all over this.

Reply 7

billydisco

Destroy the UK- like most Labour members.

Reply 8

Classical Liberal

Fabians used to be fairly hard line socialist central planning types.

Nowadays they are social democrats.

Reply 9

Boudicea

The Fabians are a secretive 5th column organisation hell bent on shaping the world as they want it to be for the New World Order Elites, and members use Chatham House rules to hide under. They are Marxists of the worst kind, wolves in sheep's clothing, using Hegelian Dialectic to get their way, helped along by 'Common Purpose' which is funded by the Tavistock Institute and you the taxpayer through payments for courses from public funds, "To Lead Beyond Authority". They pedal political correctness to close down free speech, and course graduates have been programmed using nuero-linguistic programming, to make them confrontational to achieve their aims.

Reply 10

Boromir

They are a cult of traitorous scum.

Their day will come.

Reply 11

Boudicea

Original post by Boromir

They are a cult of traitorous scum.

Their day will come.

I surely hope so, especially as Tony Blair is one of their number.

Reply 12

wilson_smith

Original post by Martyn*

I have, despite viewing countless of your posts, never seen you state anything that wasn't ridiculous and/or false. The Fabian Society - as any slight familiarity with the organisation, or its constitutive members and research would reveal - is a rather ordinary social democratic think-tank firmly assimilated into the Labour Party. It's by no means Marxist, i.e. it doesn't conduct class analysis, espouse dialectical materialism, or invoke any Marxist theory, categories or language. It conducts bog-standard professionalised left-of-centre social and political research.

Reply 13

Boudicea

Original post by wilson_smith

Please will you explain to me why the stained glass window depicts two people with hammers on either side of a world, hammering the world into the desired shape?
Also will you please explain why their badge is a wolf in sheep's clothing?
If the Fabians are anything like Freemasonry, then the lower orders will believe them to be a beneficial organisation, while the hierarchy will be organising, wheeling and dealing at high level.

Reply 14

wilson_smith

Original post by Boudicea

You are deeply deluded.

The conspiracy theorists primary methodology, to identify organisational motifs and/or symbolism - which are inherently ambiguously subject to infinite interpretations - and draw a linear line of argument (motif is X thus organisation is Y), is beyond absurd. Entertain for a second that your world-view is illusory (it is).

Reply 15

Martyn*

Original post by wilson_smith

You do realise that the Fabian Society began under the directorship of George Bernard Shaw, who was a follower of Marx. He even wrote a book centred on the philosophy of Karl Marx called The Unsocial Socialist. Of course, this is not to say that Fabianism is Marxism through and through. That's not what I meant.

Reply 16

Boudicea

Original post by wilson_smith

If, as you say, I am deluded then so are the freemasons who wrote the books I read, and so are the founders of Fabianism. "The Fabian Society took its name, suggested by one of its founding members, Frank Podmore, from the Roman General, Quintus Fabius Cunctator, who avoided a frontal attack on Hannibal’s army in the third century B.C., but used delaying tactics. Likewise, the Fabian Society preferred not to support a revolutionary transformation, but was committed to promoting evolutionary socialism in Britain."
They also supported eugenics. Bernard Shaw being a lecturer in the Eugenic Education Society, and seemed to consider that they had the right to tell people how to live their lives. Not so different from the New World Order idea of things, and their de-population programme under the UN's Agenda 21, and the Codex Alimentarius.

Reply 17

MostUncivilised

What a load of bloody conspiracy nonsense.

The fact that the Fabian Society believes in parliamentary democracy and evolutionary change, that they seek to convince the electorate rather than introduce change via a violent revolution, is somehow a bad thing in the minds of right-wing nutjobs?

Many of the Fabian Society's goals, viz. universality in education and healthcare, a welfare state, have been achieved. We are, unfortunately, going backwards on ownership of the means of production, and neoliberals are ever seeking to reverse the reforms of Attlee and to kneecap organised labour.