Gay adoption

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william1986

But you said: men cannot make a baby, so why should they be allowed to bring one up? Thus do you admit your logic is wrong?

Why?

Sperm + egg = baby

Sperm + sperm = double the sperm.

Reply 101

william1986

DamnBuster

Sperm + egg = baby

Sperm + sperm = double the sperm.

So someone who can't be fertilised as they are barren, by your logic, should not adopt as it would not be natural for them to have children. Can't you see this?

Reply 102

DamnBuster

No. It is just bad that they can't have a child. Billions of straight couples over the years have produced a child between them. How many gay couples? Somewhere around the 0 mark I believe.

As far as I am aware Arnie is the only bloke over to have given birth.

Reply 103

william1986

DamnBuster

So? You say tt's bad therefore you support adoption for them. Why is it not bad that a gay couple can't have children if thats what they want? Just because they have different sexaul organs?

Also just because it hasn't happened in the past means nothing. In 1600 no one could have a baby by artifical insemnation, yet now they can. Should they not be allowed to do that anymore because in the past people could not have it done.

Reply 104

Blackadder

william1986

Becuase it's blatantly against nature. Animals need both sexes involved for a reason in nature. Plus, when the child is growing up, I feel that it would need influence from both sexes - I know this doesn't often happen now due to high divorce etc. but if you look at children from single parent families they generally do worse in school, have higher crime ratings etc., and I think this is because of the lack of a strong loving family and influences from either sex.

Reply 105

DamnBuster

I think you know what I mean.

It is not natural for gays to have children. If you can find a way of arguing this point I will be impressed, and saddened.

Reply 106

william1986

Blackadder

Lets say it is against nature what right do you have to impose your view of nature on others. 100 yrs ago many thought homosexualty was against nature, so should homosexualty be illegal?

Your analogy is wrong. That's not because they have one sex of a parent but because they have one parent. What's to suggest otherwise?

Can't gays give a strong loving family?

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DamnBuster

I think you know what I mean.

It is not natural for gays to have children. If you can find a way of arguing this point I will be impressed, and saddened.

See my above post.

Also remember your the one proposing that it is unnautral thus the onus is on you to prove that it is unnautral and than provide an argument for whay that means it should be illegal.

Reply 107

Blackadder

william1986

Your analogy is wrong. That's not because they have one sex of a parent but because they have one parent. What's to suggest otherwise?

And what's to suggest otherwise?

I think a child needs a male and a female influence, so 1 parent families would be the same as a gay family in not being able to provide this.

Reply 108

william1986

And what's to suggest otherwise?

The fact that gay couples have children in parts of the US and they are perfectly normal and happy. Let's not forget your the one who made the initial claim thus the onus is on you.

I think a child needs a male and a female influence, so 1 parent families would be the same as a gay family in not being able to provide this.

Why does a child need both influnces? Why is gender so important to you? By implication do you think children should be taken from single parents and given to hetro couples.

Reply 109

Blackadder

william1986

The fact that gay couples have children in parts of the US and they are perfectly normal and happy. Let's not forget your the one who made the initial claim thus the onus is on you.

They're not 'perfectly normal' - they are statistically more likely to be gay as well.

william1986

Why does a child need both influnces? Why is gender so important to you? By implication do you think children should be taken from single parents and given to hetro couples.

Because that's the way nature intended it.

Plus, I again bring up 1 parent families - a child lacks these influences and so is more likely to do worse in school, take drugs and commit crimes.

Reply 110

william1986

They're not 'perfectly normal' - they are statistically more likely to be gay as well.

The are happy. Why do you oppose that? People don't turn gay.

Because that's the way nature intended it.

So? Nature, im many cases, intended us to die when we get ill, thus should we refuse medicne?

Plus, I again bring up 1 parent families - a child lacks these influences and so is more likely to do worse in school, take drugs and commit crimes.

Its a 1 parent family, a gay couple is 2 people by definion. Your comparing apples and pears.

Reply 111

DamnBuster

Yeah, stop trying to make everyone happy. Sometimes life is tough, gays can;t have their own children so they shouldn't be given someone elses.

I know I wouldn't have been the fine upstanding member of society that I am today if it hadn't been for having a loving mother AND father.

Reply 112

Blackadder

william1986

The are happy. Why do you oppose that? People don't turn gay.

Evidently thay do.

william1986

So? Nature, im many cases, intended us to die when we get ill, thus should we refuse medicne?

Nature also gave us the intelligence to cure ourselves.

william1986

Its a 1 parent family, a gay couple is 2 people by definion. Your comparing apples and pears.

Not at all, you're ignoring the fact that 1 parent = 1 sex, like gay couple = 1 sex.

Reply 113

Blackadder

DamnBuster

I know I wouldn't have been the fine upstanding member of society that I am today if it hadn't been for having a loving mother AND father.

Same here.

Reply 114

william1986

Yeah, stop trying to make everyone happy. Sometimes life is tough, gays can;t have their own children so they shouldn't be given someone elses.

I'm not saying what im saying to make people happy but because i believe in freedom. On the above logic str8 couples who can't have children should not be allowed to adopt/

I know I wouldn't have been the fine upstanding member of society that I am today if it hadn't been for having a loving mother AND father.

Rhetoric. Impossible to prove.

Reply 115

hugatree

My parents are devorced and my mum raised me just fine all by herself, so I don't think it's necessary to have both. :smile:

So I don't mind gay adoptions.

EDIT: and I'm not gay, so that's irrelevant to what I think.

Reply 116

william1986

Evidently thay do.

So where's your evidence. They don't 'turn' gay, rather they discover they are.

Nature also gave us the intelligence to cure ourselves.

And nature gives us the abilty to allow gays to adopt. Its not as if there is going to be an earthquake everytime gays adopt :smile:

Not at all, you're ignoring the fact that 1 parent = 1 sex, like gay couple = 1 sex.

why are you obsessed with sex?

Reply 117

hugatree

william1986

why are you obsessed with sex?

I don't think he meant 'sex' but 'the sexes'. :biggrin:

And if we're comparing to nature... Animals adopt. Animals have gay sex. I don't see the problem.

Reply 118

Blackadder

william1986

So where's your evidence. They don't 'turn' gay, rather they discover they are.

It's statistically proven that they are more likely to be gay, and hence obviously their 'parents' gayness is having some effect on them

william1986

And nature gives us the abilty to allow gays to adopt. Its not as if there is going to be an earthquake everytime gays adopt :smile:

Well not really. Buecause in nature there would have been no chance for this, but even the very first humans had simple medicines out of leaves or whatever.

william1986

why are you obsessed with sex?

Because it's important when discussing homosexuality and adoption?