Art applicants for 2012 entry

Eeek - sorry have to disagree with you there, the stats just dont bare out what you say - overwhelming numbers of students from independent schools get into the 'best' universities, add to that vast numbers of overseas students who (simply because it costs a damn fortune) also come from priviledged backgrounds......... at those Unis, privately educated students do not constitute a minority group.

I know state school students (3 personal friends) who went to Oxbridge and came out emotional wrecks, their confidence smashed to pieces - the atmosphere is definately one where you either have to 'fit in' to the pomp and ceremony or else suffer being an outsider - thats being stigmatised.

In terms of the elite art colleges, the same applies .....

Having said that, theres plenty of independent school students who've had a miserable time, were singled out and bullied or just never fit in - they're just a bit more likely to come out of it with a string of A's and A*s in the end than a state school student (therefore still gaining an advantage for the elite uni's)!

I went to state school , FE college - dropped out, have no A-levels and have worked since I was 18 (dont you just love the term 'mature student' ) - but art is not and shouldnt be about qualifications and while there is a snobby elitism in the art world, theres plenty of artists from more wealthy backrounds who reject that - I judge people on what they do, how they act, not where they come from.

Put it this way, although my list of schools says, marlborough, badminton, Millfield, Wells Cathedral School and Sidcot- I'm not proud.

Just because I have been to some of the best independent schools doesn't make me any different to people who attended State schools- I sure wish I had attended a state school.

Uni wise- I think that privately educated students are actually at a disadvantage because we are in the minority of students generally and there is a stigma surrounding private schools.

don't put yourself down for going to some of the best schools! just because you did doesn't mean you should be apologetic - you're still an individual in the end who has to work hard.

I did sooo happy, really like it there, anyone else??

does anyone know when the interviews actually happen either for chelsea, glasgow or edinburgh?

does anyone know when the interviews actually happen either for chelsea, glasgow or edinburgh?

Please guess who is from a private school!

Put it this way, although my list of schools says, marlborough, badminton, Millfield, Wells Cathedral School and Sidcot- I'm not proud.

Just because I have been to some of the best independent schools doesn't make me any different to people who attended State schools- I sure wish I had attended a state school.

Uni wise- I think that privately educated students are actually at a disadvantage because we are in the minority of students generally and there is a stigma surrounding private schools.

I like what you say! I'm one of those students who would have flourished in State School. When at my last school, it was so snobby and stuck up that I couldn't be myself- i was aiming for medicine...(that would've been a mistake!) I ended up dropping out with depression and had to restart a levels elsewhere- at a small independent quaker school near where I live!( best mood I ever made!)
The only reason I went to private school was because the state schools where I live aren't great and I got music scholarships!

The best artists were extremely poor at one point, were they not? (actually a lot already came from privileged homes)and I think, having not been brought up with a silver spoon in my mouth and not given everything in life, It kind of gives me a lot of drive.
I think the poorer have a different perspective, and I think, maybe a more important and critical perspective on the world around us? yes? no?
Also more of a story and experiences to tell ?

I find that there is a big rift between the middle and working classes at the moment.
In the end though, most of us are more privileged than the next person, its not like we're from third world countries, and most of us have this opportunity to study such a subject as art in London.
If that's not already snobby enough as it is

QED. Poor little rich girl. Couldn#t make it into med school or music. Using a lack of talent to buy into uni to find a partner who can.

The best artists were extremely poor at one point, were they not? (actually a lot already came from privileged homes)and I think, having not been brought up with a silver spoon in my mouth and not given everything in life, It kind of gives me a lot of drive.
I think the poorer have a different perspective, and I think, maybe a more important and critical perspective on the world around us? yes? no?
Also more of a story and experiences to tell ?

I find that there is a big rift between the middle and working classes at the moment.
In the end though, most of us are more privileged than the next person, its not like we're from third world countries, and most of us have this opportunity to study such a subject as art in London.
If that's not already snobby enough as it is

Nothing embittered about me. I just see what I see, and say what needs to be said.

In fact I have an elder sister who literally ran away from a very famous girls school after a term, in the private sector when she was 11, so yes, children do have a choice if they have a brain.

She is a talented musician, and was then too: I have no sympathy for twenty somethings strutting their stuff though, crying about their "dreadful" circumstrances as they tried to find themselves in a cushioned environment.