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    The League Table of Tables

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...GSFF4AVCBQWIV0


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...7%2Ftefuni.xml



    It seems as though The Daily Telegraph has classified the univerisites into Premier, First, Second and Third divisions.

    It is quite interesting, the top four as always are Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and LSE. This table is suprising, Warwick is in a higher position than UCL.
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    good god, essex being ranked 82nd by employers is depressing, but meh... doesn't bother me that much .. as i have a job *chuckle*
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    I'm suprised about LSE being ranked 23rd by employers.
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    Tables don't shouldn't mean sh*t to most undergrads. They contain a range or somewhat randomy weighted factors that are of little or no interest to most of us.

    I'd base my preferences only employers 'score' (though some of those look a bit dubious too) and the appslaces... i.e. returns on that fat loan and prestige/reputation. And not on research or top rated departemnts. You won't be doing research, as an undergrad you're a mere distraction for the academics and you'll be learning the not-cutting-edge stuff regardless!

    As for the table of tables, I'd agree with the FTs ranking from an 'expectation matching' perspective. I never quiet understood what SOAS does so high up in the tables. Few have heard of it and it's too specialised to be included in such a general table. 4th??? Grrr, it's those measures that we shouldn't care about coming in again...

    Horses for courses....
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    man i go to uiniversity of Leicester i thought but its not been ranked in top 30 by Employers.

    OMG!!!
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    dude... 82nd for my uni, 82nd.

    To be honest though, i think that if you have experience in what you want to do the employers (obviously depends on company) wont pay tooooo much attention to what uni you got your degree from. Going to essex didn't affect my job prospects, or my friends and i'm sure going to Leicester wont affect yours in the slightest!
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    (Original post by Dynamic_1)
    The League Table of Tables

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...GSFF4AVCBQWIV0


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...7%2Ftefuni.xml



    It seems as though The Daily Telegraph has classified the univerisites into Premier, First, Second and Third divisions.

    It is quite interesting, the top four as always are Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and LSE. This table is suprising, Warwick is in a higher position than UCL.
    These tables are more than 2 and half years out of date.

    There would be many 'movers and shakers' if it were compiled now.

    No need to panic folks!
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    What is UMIST? (#21) I went onto www.umist.ac.uk and it forwarded me to the Manchester University website although there is already a 'Manchester' in #10
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    UMIST and Manchester have merged now.

    Meanwhile, those tables are shockingly dodgy. (like all tables)
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    (Original post by yawn)
    These tables are more than 2 and half years out of date.

    There would be many 'movers and shakers' if it were compiled now.

    No need to panic folks!
    Not really. It is uses data from all the tables out there. Telegraph, Guardian, Times, Sunday Times. Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and LSE rule the top 4 places as usual. UCL, Warwick, Bristol, Manchester, Durham etc all as expected in the top end of the table.
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    (Original post by Dynamic_1)
    Not really. It is uses data from all the tables out there. Telegraph, Guardian, Times, Sunday Times. Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and LSE rule the top 4 places as usual. UCL, Warwick, Bristol, Manchester, Durham etc all as expected in the top end of the table.
    Whilst using the different criteria of varying compilers of uni performance league tables - we have to remember that this particular table is using the data from 2002 to compile their own.

    The picture is changing with the exception of Oxbridge and Imperial. The monies that are now available for research to unis that previously might not have profited as much is making a difference to their placings.

    We should reserve judgement until we get something much more recent - as this particular table was compiled when most of the students of that time (and I can remember them discussing this table on this very forum) are now holders of their degrees!
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    (Original post by Dynamic_1)
    Not really. It is uses data from all the tables out there. Telegraph, Guardian, Times, Sunday Times. Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and LSE rule the top 4 places as usual. UCL, Warwick, Bristol, Manchester, Durham etc all as expected in the top end of the table.
    durham is in the top end, but not that high up there.

    they should look at the standard deviation of each unis set of scores.
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    hmm, seems as though Oxford is slipping a bit.
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    (Original post by silence)
    durham is in the top end, but not that high up there.

    they should look at the standard deviation of each unis set of scores.
    Or better yet, reexamine the statsitical theory that would underlie the practice of getting bad data from various sources - and then merging it together...

    (this is considered a very bad thing to do in case anyone is wondering)
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    (Original post by Dynamic_1)
    The League Table of Tables

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...GSFF4AVCBQWIV0


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...7%2Ftefuni.xml



    It seems as though The Daily Telegraph has classified the univerisites into Premier, First, Second and Third divisions.

    It is quite interesting, the top four as always are Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and LSE. This table is suprising, Warwick is in a higher position than UCL.
    2003 - not too outdated then
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    Leeds in at 9th for employers, swanky - lucky me!
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    Birmingham 8th for employers, how strange
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    yes, In 2002!!!
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    Still pretty much useless. We can all kind of tell whereabouts universities hang - we all know that Oxford and Oxford Brookes are different, we all know that UCL and London Met are different, we all know that Sussex and Brighton are different. These statistics are only a teeny bit more useful than putting all the names in a hat and giving them a tug - all the measures used are of such variable utility in actually picking a university to apply to.

    (Plus, my college is so small that it never appears on any of these league tables...)
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    Ok you want an accurate ranking, check this:

    1) Cambridge
    2) Oxford
    3) Imperial
    4) LSE
    5) UCL (but not their courses that are easy to get onto)
    6) Warwick
    7) Durham
    8) York
    9) St Andrews or Edinburgh

    thats the real table- 3rd and 4th can be swapped and so too can 5th and 6th
 
 
 
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